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Offline CT

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1125 on: November 24, 2019, 03:16:36 PM »
One thing struck me after our game against Liverpool which highlighted the inconsistencies with VAR. We were given a free kick and Sane got booked for diving. VAR then checked whether he dived or should have had a penalty.  At our game against Palace we were told VAR couldn't be used to check whether Jack had in fact dived or should have had a penalty because Friend had blown his whistle. What's the difference?

Exactly. Arsenal scored at Old Trafford after the linesman had flagged and the referee blown. The striker tamely put the ball in the net out of habit I guess, he assumed he was off. Then they check, he's onside and they give a goal. But the ref had blown. We were told after Palace that VAR couldn't get involved.

As mentioned above, when this costs someone a cup, or relegates someone, there's going to be major trouble.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1126 on: November 24, 2019, 03:46:30 PM »
One thing struck me after our game against Liverpool which highlighted the inconsistencies with VAR. We were given a free kick and Sane got booked for diving. VAR then checked whether he dived or should have had a penalty.  At our game against Palace we were told VAR couldn't be used to check whether Jack had in fact dived or should have had a penalty because Friend had blown his whistle. What's the difference?

No, that's not what happened at Palace. VAR were checking if it was a penalty, that's it. They decided there wasn't enough evidence to give a penalty so the on-field decision to give a dive was upheld. What they couldn't have done was let play go, let us score and then go back to check if it was a dive. If he wanted to give a booking for the dive he had to stop play, which is why he blew as Lansbury was shooting.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1127 on: November 24, 2019, 06:03:44 PM »
what was the game yesterday where the referee requested VAR intervention when players suddenly surrounded him after an incident  at the other end.  This simply will not end well.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1128 on: November 24, 2019, 06:43:37 PM »
what was the game yesterday where the referee requested VAR intervention when players suddenly surrounded him after an incident  at the other end.  This simply will not end well.

Watford v Burnley, penalty to Burnley, correct call

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1129 on: November 24, 2019, 09:37:55 PM »
Would have been a similar situation to the Liverpool vs Man City game if Watford had scored on the counter. If a goal had been scored would they have pulled back play and award a penalty instead? They must be consistent regardless of the size of the club, league position and scoreline at the time of the incidents.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1130 on: November 25, 2019, 11:10:24 PM »
Not needed tonight thankfully but its killing the instinctive celebrations by the players and fans. El-Ghazi, Mings and the fans seemed to be waiting for VAR to check the 2nd, the celebrations were tame. Its slightly depressing that is how things are going.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1131 on: November 25, 2019, 11:22:31 PM »
Not needed tonight thankfully but its killing the instinctive celebrations by the players and fans. El-Ghazi, Mings and the fans seemed to be waiting for VAR to check the 2nd, the celebrations were tame. Its slightly depressing that is how things are going.

I think they'd have been a bit nervous for that one even without VAR, it did seem like there was too much space between him and defenders but it was just bad defending rather than offside.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1132 on: November 25, 2019, 11:31:29 PM »
Not needed tonight thankfully but its killing the instinctive celebrations by the players and fans. El-Ghazi, Mings and the fans seemed to be waiting for VAR to check the 2nd, the celebrations were tame. Its slightly depressing that is how things are going.

Definitely, I celebrated more when Newcastle restarted the game after the 2nd goal, the referee even appeared to stop for a moment on the walk back to the centre circle as if VAR had got involved.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1133 on: November 26, 2019, 04:56:35 PM »
Not needed tonight thankfully but its killing the instinctive celebrations by the players and fans. El-Ghazi, Mings and the fans seemed to be waiting for VAR to check the 2nd, the celebrations were tame. Its slightly depressing that is how things are going.

Definitely, I celebrated more when Newcastle restarted the game after the 2nd goal, the referee even appeared to stop for a moment on the walk back to the centre circle as if VAR had got involved.


Doesn't VAR have to check every goal?  I thought that was one of the bugbears - where a goal is scored and everyone is happy with it think they still have to wait for it to be reviewed.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1134 on: November 26, 2019, 05:00:19 PM »
Not needed tonight thankfully but its killing the instinctive celebrations by the players and fans. El-Ghazi, Mings and the fans seemed to be waiting for VAR to check the 2nd, the celebrations were tame. Its slightly depressing that is how things are going.

Definitely, I celebrated more when Newcastle restarted the game after the 2nd goal, the referee even appeared to stop for a moment on the walk back to the centre circle as if VAR had got involved.


Doesn't VAR have to check every goal?  I thought that was one of the bugbears - where a goal is scored and everyone is happy with it think they still have to wait for it to be reviewed.

I watched the replay of the goal on the big screen just before the restart before enjoying the warm glow of scoring. Itís just not the same anymore and celebrations will tempered somewhat. Thatís progress

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1135 on: November 26, 2019, 07:15:54 PM »
Not needed tonight thankfully but its killing the instinctive celebrations by the players and fans. El-Ghazi, Mings and the fans seemed to be waiting for VAR to check the 2nd, the celebrations were tame. Its slightly depressing that is how things are going.

Definitely, I celebrated more when Newcastle restarted the game after the 2nd goal, the referee even appeared to stop for a moment on the walk back to the centre circle as if VAR had got involved.


Doesn't VAR have to check every goal?  I thought that was one of the bugbears - where a goal is scored and everyone is happy with it think they still have to wait for it to be reviewed.
Yes every goal is VAR checked,so the instantaneous celebration of a goal has been taken away.
Which is a total disgrace.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1136 on: November 26, 2019, 09:22:22 PM »
Officials for Manure game
Referee: Craig Pawson
Assistants: Ian Hussin, Darren Cann
Fourth official: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Kevin hello darkness my old Friend
Assistant VAR: Matthew Wilkes

Chelsea
Referee: Chris Kavanagh
Assistants: Daniel Cook, Sian Massey-Ellis
Fourth official: Darren England
VAR: David Coote
Assistant VAR: Nick Hopton

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1137 on: November 26, 2019, 09:35:57 PM »
Donít know if anyone is watching the Madrid - PSG game ? Paris go through, round the keeper, foul. Ref reds the keeper and goes to VAR to see if it was in or out of the area, then decides he missed a foul on the half way line three feet in front of him. Cancels red card.

Quite funny

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1138 on: November 26, 2019, 09:41:13 PM »
There was an incident in a Bundesliga game the other day. Not too sure which one. Something like the ball was crossed, hit the ref in the back then rebounded to a player who struck it and scored a quality goal. Ref went to VAR to see what happened. Not sure of the outcome. Will try and find out.
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Re: VAR
« Reply #1139 on: November 28, 2019, 12:22:03 PM »
There was an incident in a Bundesliga game the other day. Not too sure which one. Something like the ball was crossed, hit the ref in the back then rebounded to a player who struck it and scored a quality goal. Ref went to VAR to see what happened. Not sure of the outcome. Will try and find out.

They changed the rules over the Summer to say that where a goal is scored as a result of hitting the ref it gets disallowed.

Did anyone see the "goal" Levandovski had ruled out the other night?  Absolute beauty of a finish ruled out because there was an apparent handball in the build up which was impossible to actually see on replays and was completely unintentional even if it actually happened.

Fuck VAR!

What I've learnt from this entire sham is that I don't actually want games to be "fair" if "fair" means rigidly enforcing rules to the point it makes the game less enjoyable.

 


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