Are Jack Grealish and Jadon Sancho good enough to play for England?

[Steve67]

It was good that they got an incredulous TS response though, how dare Villa fans compare Alli to Grealish.  TS is fucking crap and they forget when Alli came from and that Jack is still on the way up.

[Toronto Villa]

It was good that they got an incredulous TS response though, how dare Villa fans compare Alli to Grealish.  TS is fucking crap.

I’m sorry but it’s bloody daft. I’m as Villa as anyone but that kind of position is never going to get anything but ridicule in the national media. And frankly they weren’t disrespectful to the caller rather just suggested he was a bit off base but entitled to his opinion.

Dele Alli plays for England and a top 6 team and has played very well in the top flight, in the CL and for England over several seasons. Love Grealish but he is a long, long way from that. And maybe he’ll get there one day but when the calls are about should Jack get a call up and then some numpty says he’s better than Alli it details the legitimacy of the conversation.

[Londonvilla]

It was good that they got an incredulous TS response though, how dare Villa fans compare Alli to Grealish.  TS is fucking crap.

I’m sorry but it’s bloody daft. I’m as Villa as anyone but that kind of position is never going to get anything but ridicule in the national media. And frankly they weren’t disrespectful to the caller rather just suggested he was a bit off base but entitled to his opinion.

Dele Alli plays for England and a top 6 team and has played very well in the top flight, in the CL and for England over several seasons. Love Grealish but he is a long, long way from that. And maybe he’ll get there one day but when the calls are about should Jack get a call up and then some numpty says he’s better than Alli it details the legitimacy of the conversation.

Interesting Ali went from playing in an average Milton Keynes side to playing champions league football and starring for England. You could argue that the step up for Jack would not as great as it was for Ali.

For me Jack would be competing with Barkley and Ali for a starting position and I would argue that Ali is a better finisher but Jack is more creative, a better tackler, and a better dribbler. For me, I would easily be starting him ahead of Barkley

[Steve67]

Grealish is as important to Villa as Alli is to Spurs.  Grealish is on the way up, Alli is already there. If a Prem team buys Jack, he will also be there, very quickly, as he is different to any other midfielder we have playing for England.  By the way, rather than piss Villa fans off, again, Southgate should see this as a challenge and invite Jack to train with England and take on the challenge of making him a better player.

[luke95]

Grealish is on the way up, Alli is already there.

Not only is Alli already there , he's been there for a considerable amount of time & he's younger than Jack

[Toronto Villa]

Grealish is as important to Villa as Alli is to Spurs.  Grealish is on the way up, Alli is already there. If a Prem team buys Jack, he will also be there, very quickly, as he is different to any other midfielder we have playing for England.  By the way, rather than piss Villa fans off, again, Southgate should see this as a challenge and invite Jack to train with England and take on the challenge of making him a better player.

I don’t get it though. Why as a Villa fan would you be pissed off that Jack didn’t get called up? If he carries on performing he’ll be noticed. If we go up Jack will have played a massive role in that and he can prove himself next season on the higher stage.

Southgate has proven he will give young players a chance and we are now watching the best England side and squad since 1996. A squad that has a legitimate chance of winning the next major tournament. In the grand scheme of things I really only care about us so like McGinn if they are doing it for us and not country...well so be it. And actually I think Jack will be in the U23 tournament in the summer for England.

[PeterWithesShin]

It's hardly a shock a second division player hasn't been picked, pretty sure only 4 in about 20 years have received their squad England debuts as a second division player.

The 4 are Mount, Nugent, Zaha and Bothroyd.

[Londonvilla]

It was good that they got an incredulous TS response though, how dare Villa fans compare Alli to Grealish.  TS is fucking crap.

I’m sorry but it’s bloody daft. I’m as Villa as anyone but that kind of position is never going to get anything but ridicule in the national media. And frankly they weren’t disrespectful to the caller rather just suggested he was a bit off base but entitled to his opinion.

Dele Alli plays for England and a top 6 team and has played very well in the top flight, in the CL and for England over several seasons. Love Grealish but he is a long, long way from that. And maybe he’ll get there one day but when the calls are about should Jack get a call up and then some numpty says he’s better than Alli it details the legitimacy of the conversation.

Interesting Ali went from playing in an average Milton Keynes side to playing champions league football and starring for England. You could argue that the step up for Jack would not as great as it was for Ali.

For me Jack would be competing with Barkley and Ali for a starting position and I would argue that Ali is a better finisher but Jack is more creative, a better tackler, and a better dribbler. For me, I would easily be starting him ahead of Barkley

So Barkley scores 2 goals for England shows how little I know about football....Lol

[hilts_coolerking]

Jack will play for England sooner or later.  I'd prefer he does it when he has more top flight experience.  He has to demonstrate he's as good as or better than players already in the team.  But he's certainly on the radar.

[Duncan Shaw]

I'm delighted he's not being picked...never does us any good when our players go off to play for England!!

[footyskillz]

Mason mount was picked and invited to train with England end of last year for the nations league tournament and he had been representing championship level
I don't know if difference here is the age as Mount is a few years younger.
Grealish is technically good enough however the squad is competitive and I think Southgate hasn't worked as much with Grealish and having been involved with Ireland hasn't had the same coaching all way through England set up like other players they want to progress .Feel it's different with Rice for example due to the respective positions . Grealish position may be something Southgate isn't wanting a focus on and trying to incorporate him into a team would be difficult ?! Maybe?

[PeterWithesShin]

He'd been playing in the Eredivisie last season and he was invited to train with England before the World Cup on the back of his performances in Holland.

[paul_e]

He'd been playing in the Eredivisie last season and he was invited to train with England before the World Cup on the back of his performances in Holland.

This is where things get messy, is the eredivisie a better standard than the championship, I'm really not sure it is outside the top 3-4 sides, much like the Scottish, Belgian and Portuguese leagues, France isn't all that far ahead either.

[hilts_coolerking]

He'd been playing in the Eredivisie last season and he was invited to train with England before the World Cup on the back of his performances in Holland.

This is where things get messy, is the eredivisie a better standard than the championship, I'm really not sure it is outside the top 3-4 sides, much like the Scottish, Belgian and Portuguese leagues, France isn't all that far ahead either.

Yet most of the time since we've been in the Championship H&V has been full of comments about how piss poor the standard is.  It's said virtually every week, regardless of who we play or how we do.  If that's truly the case then of course Jack looks superior.

[paul_e]

He'd been playing in the Eredivisie last season and he was invited to train with England before the World Cup on the back of his performances in Holland.

This is where things get messy, is the eredivisie a better standard than the championship, I'm really not sure it is outside the top 3-4 sides, much like the Scottish, Belgian and Portuguese leagues, France isn't all that far ahead either.

Yet most of the time since we've been in the Championship H&V has been full of comments about how piss poor the standard is.  It's said virtually every week, regardless of who we play or how we do.  If that's truly the case then of course Jack looks superior.

I don't think those 2 things are mutually exclusive. The standard of technique in the championship is pretty low but it's played at a really high tempo, so players with pace/strength/fitness and a decent ability to read the game, in a well organised unit, can be successful. In leagues like Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium, etc there's more technical ability but that's largely because the game is slower so the physical aspects are less decisive.