Brentford v Aston Villa post match thread.

[old man villa fan]

I didn't say I agreed with getting rid of Remi Garde, only that I understood the reason.  Personally, I would have got rid of the players that were causing the conflict and been honest about what funding was available.  He was probably sold a dream and given a nightmare.

[AV82EC]

You are not going to win games unless you compete in the middle of the park.  If you keep on giving the ball away, you are inviting pressure on to you with the most likely outcome being that you concede goals.  To compete in the middle of the park, you need energy and have quickness over a short distance.  We do not have that and I do not see any fit players in the squad that can change that.  For years, our passing has been atrocious and ball control no better.  For years, we have relied on individuals, rather than playing as a team.  Too much money to spend has encouraged this approach.

The owners decided that the Club needed to be rebuilt on the playing side from top to bottom and looked for a coach to do this over a period of time, not a short term dash for promotion.  To lose faith in that approach due to unrest from supporters wanting instant success would be a disaster for the Club and would see us remaining in the wilderness for years to come.  We have a limited squad that has shown to be weak when injuries to certain positions have occurred.  We need to see out this season and start again in the summer.

As supporters, we should be recognising the reality of the situation, rather than ignoring things like, losing your best player through injury, spent very little on buying players in the last 18 months (the most expensive squad in this division was assembled more than 2 years ago and those players have either failed to deliver or aged), have had a constant churn of loan players over the last 2 years with no consistency etc., etc.  I am not going to support change in management until this guy has been given the chance to do what he was brought in to do.  I could understand the need to change Remi Garde because of the mismatch with the players and the pressure of the PL but not going the same way with Dean Smith.

I was going to say post of the season but let’s be honest it’s post of the decade. This is the point for all Villa fans to face into our position and realise that building from the ground up is the only way, we’ve had 13 years of everything being built on foundations of sand, quick fixes and panic buys and appointments made by a variety of charlatans, spivs and chancers. Now is the time for us to stop being a bunch of too big for this league spoilt brats and face right into the fact we’re a mid table Championship club and start taking our medicine. You know what though, it hurts, it really fucking hurts.

[West Derby Villan]

I personally thought Remi Garde was hard done by.

Absolutely shocking, embarrassing, if them down the road had done it, we would never let them forget it

[ROBBO]

Villa supporters have never come to terms with being a championship side, psychologically we have thought of ourselves as a premiership side that has  had a bad couple of years along with incompetent stewardship that thought that if we bought all the best players from the opposition we would soon be back where we belong.
The penny has dropped I believe that top sides are not developed overnight but by finding players that are capable of carrying out whatever strategy the manager deems appropriate.
Watching Bretford I was struck by the fact I hadn't heard of most of their team yet they all seemed to be very capable, the same applies to those teams at the top, full of virtual unknowns yet playing good football.
Unfortunately our present squad to my eyes is a team of individuals who do not work for each other and this manager must be given the time to get them out and replace them with team players.

[sid1964]

i also agree with the Remi Garde post - he was hard done by, but player power from the likes of Gabby etc.. got rid of Remi!

We need to stick with Smith, lets hope that in the summer he and the club realise that we need to get rid of a shed load of players.

[Allan C]

You are not going to win games unless you compete in the middle of the park.  If you keep on giving the ball away, you are inviting pressure on to you with the most likely outcome being that you concede goals.  To compete in the middle of the park, you need energy and have quickness over a short distance.  We do not have that and I do not see any fit players in the squad that can change that.  For years, our passing has been atrocious and ball control no better.  For years, we have relied on individuals, rather than playing as a team.  Too much money to spend has encouraged this approach.

The owners decided that the Club needed to be rebuilt on the playing side from top to bottom and looked for a coach to do this over a period of time, not a short term dash for promotion.  To lose faith in that approach due to unrest from supporters wanting instant success would be a disaster for the Club and would see us remaining in the wilderness for years to come.  We have a limited squad that has shown to be weak when injuries to certain positions have occurred.  We need to see out this season and start again in the summer.

As supporters, we should be recognising the reality of the situation, rather than ignoring things like, losing your best player through injury, spent very little on buying players in the last 18 months (the most expensive squad in this division was assembled more than 2 years ago and those players have either failed to deliver or aged), have had a constant churn of loan players over the last 2 years with no consistency etc., etc.  I am not going to support change in management until this guy has been given the chance to do what he was brought in to do.  I could understand the need to change Remi Garde because of the mismatch with the players and the pressure of the PL but not going the same way with Dean Smith.

I was going to say post of the season but let’s be honest it’s post of the decade. This is the point for all Villa fans to face into our position and realise that building from the ground up is the only way, we’ve had 13 years of everything being built on foundations of sand, quick fixes and panic buys and appointments made by a variety of charlatans, spivs and chancers. Now is the time for us to stop being a bunch of too big for this league spoilt brats and face right into the fact we’re a mid table Championship club and start taking our medicine. You know what though, it hurts, it really fucking hurts.

Another great honest post. That’s the reality of it.

[Walmley_Villa]

Top post Old Man, we are no longer in a position to go shit or bust. That failed and we are now restricted by the regulations.
We have to do it arguably the right way by building a team that wins matches, play for each other, the manager and the fans. That is why Leeds and Norwich are where they are with limited big name players.

[brian green]

The bunch of snakes in Gabby's Gang in the dressing room not only got rid of Remi Garde they got rid of Ayew, Traore, Gueye, Amavi and Veretout, players with a current market value of  £200 million, give or take.

[JD]

Villa supporters have never come to terms with being a championship side, psychologically we have thought of ourselves as a premiership side that has  had a bad couple of years along with incompetent stewardship that thought that if we bought all the best players from the opposition we would soon be back where we belong.
The penny has dropped I believe that top sides are not developed overnight but by finding players that are capable of carrying out whatever strategy the manager deems appropriate.
Watching Bretford I was struck by the fact I hadn't heard of most of their team yet they all seemed to be very capable, the same applies to those teams at the top, full of virtual unknowns yet playing good football.
Unfortunately our present squad to my eyes is a team of individuals who do not work for each other and this manager must be given the time to get them out and replace them with team players.

That sums it up Robbo. We have spent the last god knows how years signing high priced players hoping they will get us out of a mess, but all they seem interested in is a big salary etc (mercenaries in mho or so called best players from lesser teams). What we need to do is sign players who want to improve themselves and prove a point. I would love Villa to go up this season, but with the current squad I fear we would get hammered if we go up. Give Dean Smith a year to rebuild and get rid of the over paid journeymen and then lets judge.

[Legion]

Young and hungry?

[JD]

Young and hungry?

Exactly Leeg.

[Lastfootstamper]

Villa supporters have never come to terms with being a championship side, psychologically we have thought of ourselves as a premiership side that has  had a bad couple of years along with incompetent stewardship that thought that if we bought all the best players from the opposition we would soon be back where we belong.

You're right. I'm not going to say it's all Villa fans, but you're definitely talking about me.

Now is the time for us to stop being a bunch of too big for this league spoilt brats and face right into the fact we’re a mid table Championship club and start taking our medicine. You know what though, it hurts, it really fucking hurts.

This is a bastard. Giving up the fags was easier. But Wednesday got me there.

We had our big shot at it. We missed. Not by a lot, but missed all the same. Time to evaluate, accept, move on.

[brian green]

When Hogan missed that easy header in the closing minutes of the play off final all our chickens came home to roost in one huge flock.  All the waste, all the mismanagement, all the blunders, all the scandals, all the greed, all the lead swinging.  The net result of all the post MON wrecking is what we now are.  A mid table second division side propped up by borrowed players unable to give a decent game to most of the teams we play.

There really is no alternative but to tear the whole, creaking, crumbling edifice down and build it again  including new foundations.

[Nunkin1965]

Villa supporters have never come to terms with being a championship side, psychologically we have thought of ourselves as a premiership side that has  had a bad couple of years along with incompetent stewardship that thought that if we bought all the best players from the opposition we would soon be back where we belong.

You're right. I'm not going to say it's all Villa fans, but you're definitely talking about me.

Now is the time for us to stop being a bunch of too big for this league spoilt brats and face right into the fact we’re a mid table Championship club and start taking our medicine. You know what though, it hurts, it really fucking hurts.

This is a bastard. Giving up the fags was easier. But Wednesday got me there.

We had our big shot at it. We missed. Not by a lot, but missed all the same. Time to evaluate, accept, move on.

Totally agree.
We’ve never been a team in all of the time we’ve been in this league.
Sure we’ve come close but until we stop living in the past and get on with trying to construct a side with a decent work ethic we’ll be stuck here for years.
I watched Villa on Wednesday night and it was literally 11 v 5 or 6. A times we’ve  basically been playing with half a side.
It’s been like that for years. We’re just not a team and the philosophy of just buying other teams best players and assuming it’s going to work just has to stop.

It’s a bit of a balancing act for Smith because clearly a number of his squad will be moving or moved on so he’s maybe trying to implement his style under challenging circumstances. He can’t also come out and be too critical as he knows he needs these players onside until season end at least.

He needs a performance and result tomorrow for sure though.
Hopefully the heat of a local derby will inspire one or two more to turn up.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I don’t want Smith sacked but that doesn’t mean he should be immune from criticism after that pile of shit we were served on Wednesday night. And I also think we’re right to question what improvements he’s made since he took over. I saw no evidence of any at Brentford. Give him time, yes, give him encouragement, yes but let him know that he’ll be expected to deliver improvements in return.

He can start on Saturday.

And Remii Garde was just about the worst person we could have drafted in to sort out the mess we were in a the time. Merde