Deano’s wishlist - the Jan transfer speculation/guaranteed nonsense thread

[papa lazarou]

'Tight hamstring' was the update today/yesterday. So certainly not something to scupper a deal for a motivated buyer (assuming he hasn't got a history of hamstring injuries - which I don't know).

That could be a diplomatic injury.

If only he had diplomatic immunity.

[paul_e]

No. Grealish was in division 3 with Notts County, not division 4. O'Hare should have been loaned out to div 3 or 4 a couple of years ago imo, the same kind of age Jack was at Notts County.

I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification. He's finished.

Easy tiger. The Russian is in League Two too, I think it's far too early to cast the die on their Villa careers.

Both should've gone out 2-3 seasons ago. They have lots of quality but both need to learn how to handle being roughed-up, that's what the notts county loan did for Jack more than anything else. If they realise they need to look after themselves better and develop they'll be fine. Suliman is another who needed to go out and get regular games a couple of years ago as well.

[old man villa fan]

No. Grealish was in division 3 with Notts County, not division 4. O'Hare should have been loaned out to div 3 or 4 a couple of years ago imo, the same kind of age Jack was at Notts County.

I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification. He's finished.

Easy tiger. The Russian is in League Two too, I think it's far too early to cast the die on their Villa careers.

Both should've gone out 2-3 seasons ago. They have lots of quality but both need to learn how to handle being roughed-up, that's what the notts county loan did for Jack more than anything else. If they realise they need to look after themselves better and develop they'll be fine. Suliman is another who needed to go out and get regular games a couple of years ago as well.

Too many managers in the past only thinking about the present, rather than the future of the club.  This is why it is important to have a DoF or Sporting Director that looks at the bigger picture.  The development (or, more to the point, non-development) of our young players post-U21 has been negligent, considering the resources we have had.

[SirSteveUK]

No. Grealish was in division 3 with Notts County, not division 4. O'Hare should have been loaned out to div 3 or 4 a couple of years ago imo, the same kind of age Jack was at Notts County.

I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification. He's finished.

Easy tiger. The Russian is in League Two too, I think it's far too early to cast the die on their Villa careers.

Both should've gone out 2-3 seasons ago. They have lots of quality but both need to learn how to handle being roughed-up, that's what the notts county loan did for Jack more than anything else. If they realise they need to look after themselves better and develop they'll be fine. Suliman is another who needed to go out and get regular games a couple of years ago as well.

Suliman did go out on loan 2016/2017 to Cheltenham

[SoccerHQ]

No. Grealish was in division 3 with Notts County, not division 4. O'Hare should have been loaned out to div 3 or 4 a couple of years ago imo, the same kind of age Jack was at Notts County.

I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification. He's finished.

Easy tiger. The Russian is in League Two too, I think it's far too early to cast the die on their Villa careers.

Both should've gone out 2-3 seasons ago. They have lots of quality but both need to learn how to handle being roughed-up, that's what the notts county loan did for Jack more than anything else. If they realise they need to look after themselves better and develop they'll be fine. Suliman is another who needed to go out and get regular games a couple of years ago as well.

Too many managers in the past only thinking about the present, rather than the future of the club.  This is why it is important to have a DoF or Sporting Director that looks at the bigger picture.  The development (or, more to the point, non-development) of our young players post-U21 has been negligent, considering the resources we have had.

I get the feeling it was more we wanted to keep them to make our reserve team/youths look good and attractive for young players to join us. Had this issue with us slow to loan out players since Clark/Fonz/Albrighton era. We then have to throw these players in when we had injuries and wondered why they didn't look ready for first team level.

[paul_e]

No. Grealish was in division 3 with Notts County, not division 4. O'Hare should have been loaned out to div 3 or 4 a couple of years ago imo, the same kind of age Jack was at Notts County.

I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification. He's finished.

Easy tiger. The Russian is in League Two too, I think it's far too early to cast the die on their Villa careers.

Both should've gone out 2-3 seasons ago. They have lots of quality but both need to learn how to handle being roughed-up, that's what the notts county loan did for Jack more than anything else. If they realise they need to look after themselves better and develop they'll be fine. Suliman is another who needed to go out and get regular games a couple of years ago as well.

Suliman did go out on loan 2016/2017 to Cheltenham

Didn't get games though, that might be because he didn't impress in training or they only had him as cover or whatever but all it really meant was that he got no benefit from it. I do worry that he's now had a couple of loans and not really stepped up. I like him in the U23s and have wanted him to do well but he may well be too soft to make it.

[sickbeggar]

If your planning on blooding the youth then you start playing them at 17/18/19 either in the 1st team or no more than a division down. Our ones at 22/23? forget it. their time has passed.

[tomd2103]

No. Grealish was in division 3 with Notts County, not division 4. O'Hare should have been loaned out to div 3 or 4 a couple of years ago imo, the same kind of age Jack was at Notts County.

I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification. He's finished.

Easy tiger. The Russian is in League Two too, I think it's far too early to cast the die on their Villa careers.

Both should've gone out 2-3 seasons ago. They have lots of quality but both need to learn how to handle being roughed-up, that's what the notts county loan did for Jack more than anything else. If they realise they need to look after themselves better and develop they'll be fine. Suliman is another who needed to go out and get regular games a couple of years ago as well.

Suliman did go out on loan 2016/2017 to Cheltenham

Didn't get games though, that might be because he didn't impress in training or they only had him as cover or whatever but all it really meant was that he got no benefit from it. I do worry that he's now had a couple of loans and not really stepped up. I like him in the U23s and have wanted him to do well but he may well be too soft to make it.

To be honest Paul, I think the days of young players being sent to the lower reaches of the football league to 'toughen up' are on the way out and that more and more clubs (especially in the top flight) are sending their younger players to clubs in other countries.  League Two and to some extent League One are pretty unique in terms of the physicality and the direct type of football played at that level.

[tomd2103]

If your planning on blooding the youth then you start playing them at 17/18/19 either in the 1st team or no more than a division down. Our ones at 22/23? forget it. their time has passed.

I'm against the idea of age teams playing in the competition, but I'm not sure why we haven't taken the opportunity to enter a young side in the Check-a-Trade Trophy. 

[sickbeggar]

well it's mindset really. i'd love to be able to throw this in Bruce's direction, but the reality is we've always had better players to use than the youth going back ages. the likes of sulliman......England u16/17/19. should have been progressing here at 19. never got a game.  jorden lynden, basically ignored after we got relegated. i'm not saying either of them would have made it but its too late now to find out.

[eamonn]

If your planning on blooding the youth then you start playing them at 17/18/19 either in the 1st team or no more than a division down. Our ones at 22/23? forget it. their time has passed.

And what about those in the middle, ie aged 20 like Cal and Rush?

[Gareth]

I’d have thought with O’Hare he needs to play proper games, with Green he went to League One & was essentially a bit part player so with O’Hare they needed to pitch him at a level that he will get good game time.  With Carlisle being managed by Steven Pressley whose son is in our academy you might imagine that there is a relationship there betw Pressley & Villa that will see O’Hare play

[Risso]

No. Grealish was in division 3 with Notts County, not division 4. O'Hare should have been loaned out to div 3 or 4 a couple of years ago imo, the same kind of age Jack was at Notts County.

I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification. He's finished.

Easy tiger. The Russian is in League Two too, I think it's far too early to cast the die on their Villa careers.

Both should've gone out 2-3 seasons ago. They have lots of quality but both need to learn how to handle being roughed-up, that's what the notts county loan did for Jack more than anything else. If they realise they need to look after themselves better and develop they'll be fine. Suliman is another who needed to go out and get regular games a couple of years ago as well.

Suliman did go out on loan 2016/2017 to Cheltenham

Didn't get games though, that might be because he didn't impress in training or they only had him as cover or whatever but all it really meant was that he got no benefit from it. I do worry that he's now had a couple of loans and not really stepped up. I like him in the U23s and have wanted him to do well but he may well be too soft to make it.

They thought he wasn’t up to the job physically and sent him back early.

[sickbeggar]

If your planning on blooding the youth then you start playing them at 17/18/19 either in the 1st team or no more than a division down. Our ones at 22/23? forget it. their time has passed.

And what about those in the middle, ie aged 20 like Cal and Rush?

well if you're  going with youth you try them because by 20 you really should be playing a bit. Now in our recent  bad run i wouldn't have been that annoyed if smith had tried a kid instead of taylor - the worse that would have happened is he'd have been as shit. or any of the other deadwood. whelan or someone who can run and could possibly improve?  managers don't want to risk it though.

[paul_e]

Didn't get games though, that might be because he didn't impress in training or they only had him as cover or whatever but all it really meant was that he got no benefit from it. I do worry that he's now had a couple of loans and not really stepped up. I like him in the U23s and have wanted him to do well but he may well be too soft to make it.

They thought he wasn’t up to the job physically and sent him back early.

I knew there was something about that but I couldn't remember where it came from (it's why I put the bit about being too soft). The thing is when he came back with that feedback we should've been working with him to do something about it but we seem to have just let him stagnate for a couple of years instead. I think Sickbeggar is massively over-the-top with his cut off points, there's plenty of players who've come through as 22/23 year olds and had good careers, but as soon as a player has 6months of looking too good for the U18s/U23s or has a pre-season where they look ready for the first team we should be getting them first team football somewhere. Clarke, Revan, Doyle-Hayes, Walker and maybe even Ramsey should all be on the list to get first team football somewhere in 2019.

To be honest Paul, I think the days of young players being sent to the lower reaches of the football league to 'toughen up' are on the way out and that more and more clubs (especially in the top flight) are sending their younger players to clubs in other countries.  League Two and to some extent League One are pretty unique in terms of the physicality and the direct type of football played at that level.

I think that depends on the player. Suliman is technically sound and reads the game well but can be bullied, I'd like to see him get 8-10 games agianst teams that know that and target him because he needs to prove to himself that he can stand up to that. O-Hare showed in the cup that he's knocked off the ball too easily, a run of games against lower quality opposition where he can practice shielding the ball and keeping his centre of gravity low will help him, so long as our coaches have given him things to work on. RHM is slightly different, he's strong and quick enough but he's struggled to make a run of starts, he needs 3-4 games a fortnight consistently for a few months to prove to everyone that his fit enough to cope with it. If he can get that at a level where he gets 7-8 goals and makes a difference for a team then that's better still.