The Pit of Misery (All mess in here)

[olaftab]

You get to inject more equity in your first 3 years of ownership I believe.

So can an owner having several stand alone profit making businesses keep selling the club on from one business to another to build up the capital?

[Deano's Mullet]

Feels like we're in limbo. I thought 15-16 was a low as it could get and I have actually enjoyed the progress of the last two seasons but now it feels like it's all been for nothing, two years wasted and now we're even worse off. If you had told me that Wembley day just two weeks ago - even after the final whistle - we'd be in this state I just wouldn't have believed it. I am so angry with Xia I can't reconcile that with the positivity I had felt towards him since summer 16. The worst is the feeling we are going to be picked at like some dead carcasses by teams that are of smaller stature but in a far healthier position financially. Can anyone see us getting relegated this coming season or is it not quite that bad do you think?

[ChicagoLion]

Deano the worst thing we could do is have a clear out but still fall short of FFP and get a points deduction.
The remnants of the squad with all the loan players gone is plenty strong enough to stay up.
It really depends on how deep we cut, hopefully some football sense is heard in the so called meeting tomorrow.
It’s the don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.

[Risso]

You get to inject more equity in your first 3 years of ownership I believe.

I had a look through the EFL FFP regulations and couldn't see any mention of this, although my eyes had started to glaze over a bit:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-5---financial-fair-play-regulations/

[Drummond]

Feck knows is my considered professional opinion.

If someone buys us all they can do is finance the business without being able to make any serious investments to improve the team.
A team which will have lost its best players.
Whilst the league continues to receive relegated clubs with huge parachute payments.
We are not just fucked we are fucked for a very long time.

Tell that to Wolves, Cardiff, Bournemouth, Watford, Leicester, Brighton, Huddersfield, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Hull, QPR, Reading, Wigan and Bolton fans. All teams that either got relegated and didn't go back up or who went up havign not had parachute payments.

I've not gone through all of them either.

It will be harder but it's all achievable.

[ChicagoLion]

Feck knows is my considered professional opinion.

If someone buys us all they can do is finance the business without being able to make any serious investments to improve the team.
A team which will have lost its best players.
Whilst the league continues to receive relegated clubs with huge parachute payments.
We are not just fucked we are fucked for a very long time.

Tell that to Wolves, Cardiff, Bournemouth, Watford, Leicester, Brighton, Huddersfield, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Hull, QPR, Reading, Wigan and Bolton fans. All teams that either got relegated and didn't go back up or who went up havign not had parachute payments.

I've not gone through all of them either.

It will be harder but it's all achievable.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.
If you are trying to argue that our situation can be normalised in the short term than I would love to read how you think that will happen.

[cheltenhamlion]

As it goes you can fiddle FFP with the whole equity loans business that Lerner did plenty of times.

[ChicagoLion]

As it goes you can fiddle FFP with the whole equity loans business that Lerner did plenty of times.

Someone is going to have to explain that one to me.

[cheltenhamlion]

Cash to equity loans are allowable. So you create another x number of shares but they all stay in the owners pocket. He can then chuck that money into the club.

[andyh]

Cash to equity loans are allowable. So you create another x number of shares but they all stay in the owners pocket. He can then chuck that money into the club.

He needs to create £200m worth then and find the feckin money to buy them.
Oh......

[cheltenhamlion]

Cash to equity loans are allowable. So you create another x number of shares but they all stay in the owners pocket. He can then chuck that money into the club.

He needs to create £200m worth then and find the feckin money to buy them.
Oh......

I didn't say he had the cash to do it available,  just that you can.

[ChicagoLion]

Cash to equity loans are allowable. So you create another x number of shares but they all stay in the owners pocket. He can then chuck that money into the club.

I can’t see that in the FFP rules.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

Villa Owners
Lerner and Xia
On running the Villa
Got no idea!

In came CEO's
Wyness and Fox
In stabilising the club
They've  behaved like c-cks!

From O Neill's walk out
To present day Bruce
Each manager in turn
Has tightened the noose.

From our relegated team
Richards remains
Our once great club
His mere presence stains!

What of the future
Of AVFC?
Look to Grealish
And the academy!

[davidb]

whats our starting line up going to look like in august?
           Steer

bree       De Laet

         jedinak/whelan

     Hourihane Landsbury

Elmo                       kodja
                Hogan

Assuming we loose Chester, Jack Adomah

[ozzjim]

Jedinak will go too I reckon. If he doesn't he's starting at centre half every week. Probably alongside Tuanzebe.

If Chester is going, with Terry already gone and Grealish leaving, we might be better off going to 352 next season. De Laet if he doesn't go has played on the right of a 3 before. Jedinak and a youngster maybe could make a 3. Even bringing in someone like Tuanzebe is a gamble as he was only fit for about 3 weeks. Replacing a bloke as consistent as Chester, that has played every minute of every game, is going to be virtually impossible. We should be asking for 15 million plus.