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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #585 on: September 24, 2018, 07:52:48 PM »
The FFP rules are an absolute joke. The very clubs who created this like Man City and Chelsea have flouted the rules for years and haven't received a single point deduction.  Even Bournemouth have broke the rules twice and just received fines only. The hounding of Championship clubs is totally unfair. FFP actually protects the top sides, ridiculous!

FFP has worked in the Championship as it was introduced to prevent the amount of clubs going into administration due to spending way more than their income. The problem was to apply the same regulations to the Premier League, where a different problem occurs.

Offline old man villa fan

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #586 on: September 24, 2018, 08:20:31 PM »
The FFP rules are an absolute joke. The very clubs who created this like Man City and Chelsea have flouted the rules for years and haven't received a single point deduction.  Even Bournemouth have broke the rules twice and just received fines only. The hounding of Championship clubs is totally unfair. FFP actually protects the top sides, ridiculous!

FFP has worked in the Championship as it was introduced to prevent the amount of clubs going into administration due to spending way more than their income. The problem was to apply the same regulations to the Premier League, where a different problem occurs.

The intention was sound but they made no room for new owners coming in and wiping away all debt.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #587 on: September 24, 2018, 09:28:41 PM »
The FFP rules are an absolute joke. The very clubs who created this like Man City and Chelsea have flouted the rules for years and haven't received a single point deduction.  Even Bournemouth have broke the rules twice and just received fines only. The hounding of Championship clubs is totally unfair. FFP actually protects the top sides, ridiculous!

FFP has worked in the Championship as it was introduced to prevent the amount of clubs going into administration due to spending way more than their income. The problem was to apply the same regulations to the Premier League, where a different problem occurs.

The intention was sound but they made no room for new owners coming in and wiping away all debt.

That’s exactly what I struggle to understand. I totally get Tony fucked up and we should be penalised but it makes no sense to punish us if we solved our own problems by getting new investment in

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #588 on: September 24, 2018, 09:32:00 PM »
The FFP rules are an absolute joke. The very clubs who created this like Man City and Chelsea have flouted the rules for years and haven't received a single point deduction.  Even Bournemouth have broke the rules twice and just received fines only. The hounding of Championship clubs is totally unfair. FFP actually protects the top sides, ridiculous!

FFP has worked in the Championship as it was introduced to prevent the amount of clubs going into administration due to spending way more than their income. The problem was to apply the same regulations to the Premier League, where a different problem occurs.

The intention was sound but they made no room for new owners coming in and wiping away all debt.

That’s exactly what I struggle to understand. I totally get Tony fucked up and we should be penalised but it makes no sense to punish us if we solved our own problems by getting new investment in

The reverse to that argument is that it disadvantages the smaller clubs who have little chance of attracting a billionaire or three.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #589 on: September 24, 2018, 09:48:09 PM »
The FFP rules are an absolute joke. The very clubs who created this like Man City and Chelsea have flouted the rules for years and haven't received a single point deduction.  Even Bournemouth have broke the rules twice and just received fines only. The hounding of Championship clubs is totally unfair. FFP actually protects the top sides, ridiculous!

FFP has worked in the Championship as it was introduced to prevent the amount of clubs going into administration due to spending way more than their income. The problem was to apply the same regulations to the Premier League, where a different problem occurs.

The intention was sound but they made no room for new owners coming in and wiping away all debt.

That’s exactly what I struggle to understand. I totally get Tony fucked up and we should be penalised but it makes no sense to punish us if we solved our own problems by getting new investment in

The reverse to that argument is that it disadvantages the smaller clubs who have little chance of attracting a billionaire or three.

Surely, the FL would want to encourage money coming in through new ownership as there is very little coming in from elsewhere.  Money coming in would generally circulate at this level.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #590 on: September 24, 2018, 10:02:52 PM »
The FFP rules are an absolute joke. The very clubs who created this like Man City and Chelsea have flouted the rules for years and haven't received a single point deduction.  Even Bournemouth have broke the rules twice and just received fines only. The hounding of Championship clubs is totally unfair. FFP actually protects the top sides, ridiculous!

Surely under the Xia reign, we have effectively tried to do a Chelsea or City and tried to buy success? Stoke seem to be doing likewise and it's going to pot for them too...

What's incredibly worrying is that little appears to have changed in the new regime. Sanctioning the Bolasie loan deal while we had one centre back at the club...It's like a conscious decision was taken to gamble again on promotion this season to avoid FFP.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #591 on: September 24, 2018, 10:10:45 PM »

Surely, the FL would want to encourage money coming in through new ownership as there is very little coming in from elsewhere.  Money coming in would generally circulate at this level.

And circulate all the way into the players' pockets.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #592 on: September 24, 2018, 10:11:40 PM »
Spot on Bronte.  It becomes more worrying every day that the Lerner/Xia ethos of legitimised inertia is taking root with the new owners.  No green shoots of hope anywhere to be seen.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #593 on: September 24, 2018, 10:41:17 PM »
The problem is that Bruce stepped into the vacuume created by the previous regime leaving.
He has, until recently been the most senior person at the club.
So it’s been dodgy transfers, burgers chips and ice cream every day.

Offline mike

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #594 on: September 24, 2018, 10:41:41 PM »
Spot on Bronte.  It becomes more worrying every day that the Lerner/Xia ethos of legitimised inertia is taking root with the new owners.  No green shoots of hope anywhere to be seen.

I find it unbelievable that the new owners would look at the clusterfuck that went before, buy the club and then repeat the exact same mistakes at enormous financial cost to themselves. But this is the Villa, so who knows.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #595 on: September 24, 2018, 10:45:38 PM »
Any other organization and I would agree with you Mike.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #596 on: September 24, 2018, 10:55:41 PM »
Any other organization and I would agree with you Mike.

I'm trying really hard to believe but it's all so opaque except where it's downright contradictory.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #597 on: September 25, 2018, 12:00:21 AM »
Paying potential player coaches/managers by means of shares (now or in the future) wouldn't get around any FFP would it? (Unlikely, but just wondering...)

Am still presuming paying off Bruce and adding a new guy to the payroll is an issue, except we managed to bring in some expensive loans so it kind of discounts that presumably?

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #598 on: September 25, 2018, 12:19:55 AM »
I wonder what the view from the football league is on us? They probably look at us with our history of bringing through many youth products and are probably chuckling at us paying full whack for likes of Bolaise yet youth teams products that could save us money like O'Hare and RHM can't even make the bench.

I imagine that would be the line from them, if FFP is such an issue just play more young players like QPR are doing currently so it will be completely self inflicted if we actually get deducted points for breaching in 12 months time.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #599 on: September 25, 2018, 07:02:41 AM »
Why should a club the size of the us be expected to bear the same losses as a club the size of QPR, whose ground is a tad bigger than the Holte End?

 


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