Financial fair play

[dave.woodhall]

32,000 bums, 23 games, £20 a pop, near £15million. It's not too shabby if all it had to go towards wages. And at this level, it does show that playing in front of a full house can make a sizeable financial difference.

It's nowhere near £20 after season ticket discounts and concessions.

[PeterWithesShin]

Won't that be countered with boxes, corporate etc though? An 8 seater box in Witton Lane Stand is £1000-1700 a game.

[Lastfootstamper]

I was basing that on my fucking shit seat that I have to sit in AGAIN (clenches fist, grinds teeth) being valued at a nominal £14.

[dave.woodhall]

Won't that be countered with boxes, corporate etc though? An 8 seater box in Witton Lane Stand is £1000-1700 a game.

I'm not sure if that doesn't count as commercial rather than matchday.

[Ozzjim]

Plus it's a 23 game season. A 500 season ticket gives about 21 per match. Concessions much less. Probably evens out sons 16-17 per bum on seat. About 12.5 million. Or a McCormack, Richards, Lansbury, Gabby, Terry etc. If it wage bill is still over £50 million a season we need to seriously trim it and fast. Getting it down to £30 million ish in this division would still be high.

[cheltenhamlion]

Won't that be countered with boxes, corporate etc though? An 8 seater box in Witton Lane Stand is £1000-1700 a game.

I'm not sure if that doesn't count as commercial rather than matchday.

Commercial.

[Ad@m]

Based on the 16/17 accounts (our first season in the Championship):

• Gate receipts = £10.7m
• Commercial revenue = £12.3m
• Wages costs = £61.5m (of which £8m was NIC and pension costs)
• 401 full time employees - 175 players and coaches; 168 commercial, 58 maintenance & admin

In the Summer following the above figures we signed:

• Terry
• Snodgrass
• Whelan
• Elmohamady

plus others who will all have added to the wage bill.

We got rid of a few too but not high earners (ie Veretout, Baker, Sanchez, Amavi, Bacuna, Kozak, De Laet, Gardner, Elphick, Tshibola, McCormack, Sissoko).

I would estimate that for the season just finished the wage bill will have got worse rather than better - Terry alone (if £60k a week is to be believed) represented more than 1/20th of our entire club's wage bill!!

[Lastfootstamper]

So I didn't imagine that £62m.

Faaarkin ell.

[sickbeggar]

Based on the 16/17 accounts (our first season in the Championship):

• Gate receipts = £10.7m
• Commercial revenue = £12.3m
• Wages costs = £61.5m (of which £8m was NIC and pension costs)
• 401 full time employees - 175 players and coaches; 168 commercial, 58 maintenance & admin

In the Summer following the above figures we signed:

• Terry
• Snodgrass
• Whelan
• Elmohamady

plus others who will all have added to the wage bill.

We got rid of a few too but not high earners (ie Veretout, Baker, Sanchez, Amavi, Bacuna, Kozak, De Laet, Gardner, Elphick, Tshibola, McCormack, Sissoko).

I would estimate that for the season just finished the wage bill will have got worse rather than better - Terry alone (if £60k a week is to be believed) represented more than 1/20th of our entire club's wage bill!!

nah, the reality is that 53.3m includes the wages of gestade, westwood, and those you mentioned.. All on premiership wages. You only have to look at the drop in wages of 30m from the season before to realise they weren't on peanuts. Most of that drop was relegation clauses

[SirSteveUK]

Here we go.....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/04/steve-bruces-aston-villa-future-uncertain-against-backdrop-financial/

Two errors

The playoff was over two weeks ago ?....10 days actually

Parachute payments have finished ??  No - one payment left.

Schoolboy errors - do we trust the rest of it?

[IFWaters]

I read a few articles about Championship wages. From what I can glean, average player wages in the league 2 seasons ago were about £8k a week but included some examples such as Jonjo Shelvey at Newcastle on £80,000 a week.

This is before any NI and pensions costs which probably add 20-25% to that

I tried to work out what all the non-playing and youth team costs would be, allowing for some expensive execs and decided an average of £40k per year, including NI and pensions should be enough, then times 450 non first team staff makes £18 million. Then you've got the costs of keeping the ground and training ground up and running, rates, the leccy bill, IT etc etc probably take that up to £25 million.

So that's £25 million before any first team wages. Which is most of the gate and commercial money.

So the TV and parachute payments have to cover the rest. By the way, I read parachute payments last 4 years.

[AsTallAsLions]

I read a few articles about Championship wages. From what I can glean, average player wages in the league 2 seasons ago were about £8k a week but included some examples such as Jonjo Shelvey at Newcastle on £80,000 a week.

This is before any NI and pensions costs which probably add 20-25% to that

I tried to work out what all the non-playing and youth team costs would be, allowing for some expensive execs and decided an average of £40k per year, including NI and pensions should be enough, then times 450 non first team staff makes £18 million. Then you've got the costs of keeping the ground and training ground up and running, rates, the leccy bill, IT etc etc probably take that up to £25 million.

So that's £25 million before any first team wages. Which is most of the gate and commercial money.

So the TV and parachute payments have to cover the rest. By the way, I read parachute payments last 4 years.

Pretty sure they last 3 years only.

[Lastfootstamper]

I thought it was three, but seems not. They drop to £9.6m for each of the third and fourth years, from what I can see. A still tidy sum, but half of what we received in year two. What saving are we looking at with the departures of Gabby, Terry and the loan players?

[four fornicholl]

Looking at all these figures gets me wondering if we may become unsustainable, yet unable to invest. Madness I tell you, madness.

[Lastfootstamper]

It's becoming easier to understand how the likes of Forest, Wednesday and Leeds got bogged down in here.