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Offline amfy

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #390 on: June 02, 2018, 11:25:41 PM »
Has sponsoring the stadium for no more than market value become the new 'Why didn't Barry take the penalty?

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #391 on: June 02, 2018, 11:59:26 PM »
Has sponsoring the stadium for no more than market value become the new 'Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
And just as funny.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #392 on: June 03, 2018, 10:15:44 AM »
Isn't this FFP discussion a bit of a red herring, in that it assumes Xia actually wants to put more money in.

In his statement, he also said this:

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We are all aware that we will face severe FFP challenges next season. I am an Aston Villa fan. But I am also a businessman. Under the current circumstances, I think the club needs to rethink not only the past two years but also the past ten years. Villa needs to be a sustainable football club. People join. People leave. That is the cycle of football. But the football club always remains through it all.  This is the ultimate reality that cannot be changed, but I can assure you that everyone behind the scenes is working tirelessly towards achieving our ultimate goal. 

We have been heavily investing for the past two seasons. However, the loss on Saturday means that we need to change a lot of things. No one wanted to see the club have to go through this, but I believe that only changes can help the club to progress towards the positive direction and this requires the joint efforts of everyone associated with this great football club. 

That does not sound to me like a man desperately looking for ways to get more money into the club.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #393 on: June 03, 2018, 11:12:58 AM »
I think it's an ego thing. Had we gone up I think he would have pumped more in because it gets him press and he likes the attention of it all. Slumming it for a 3rd year in the Championship takes that prestige away. He wants to be in the Premier league, for his ego IMO as much as anything else.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #394 on: June 03, 2018, 11:18:58 AM »
I think it's an ego thing. Had we gone up I think he would have pumped more in because it gets him press and he likes the attention of it all. Slumming it for a 3rd year in the Championship takes that prestige away. He wants to be in the Premier league, for his ego IMO as much as anything else.

A bit harsh to be honest.  He doesn't across to me as an ego manic.

Offline robleflaneur

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #395 on: June 03, 2018, 11:27:53 AM »
I think it's an ego thing. Had we gone up I think he would have pumped more in because it gets him press and he likes the attention of it all. Slumming it for a 3rd year in the Championship takes that prestige away. He wants to be in the Premier league, for his ego IMO as much as anything else.
A good summary of Ellis as well. A lot of businessmen will  just see the ridiculous amount of money that the clubs receive for being just a member of that league.Ego will be secondary.It was a pity that Lerner didn't have any business acumen despite his background.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #396 on: June 03, 2018, 11:30:40 AM »
Wasn't part of the sale conditions that Tony had to pay Lerner an additional significant wedge on regaining Premier League status? So he clearly budgeted for that. But I do feel FFP and a tightening of funds are a happy coincidence for him.

Offline sirlordbaltimore

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #397 on: June 03, 2018, 11:53:09 AM »
Wasn't part of the sale conditions that Tony had to pay Lerner an additional significant wedge on regaining Premier League status? So he clearly budgeted for that. But I do feel FFP and a tightening of funds are a happy coincidence for him.

This to me is barmy. How would FFP, which means he's making no money be a happy thing for him ???

Offline AsTallAsLions

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #398 on: June 03, 2018, 11:55:01 AM »
Isn't this FFP discussion a bit of a red herring, in that it assumes Xia actually wants to put more money in.

In his statement, he also said this:

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We are all aware that we will face severe FFP challenges next season. I am an Aston Villa fan. But I am also a businessman. Under the current circumstances, I think the club needs to rethink not only the past two years but also the past ten years. Villa needs to be a sustainable football club. People join. People leave. That is the cycle of football. But the football club always remains through it all.  This is the ultimate reality that cannot be changed, but I can assure you that everyone behind the scenes is working tirelessly towards achieving our ultimate goal. 

We have been heavily investing for the past two seasons. However, the loss on Saturday means that we need to change a lot of things. No one wanted to see the club have to go through this, but I believe that only changes can help the club to progress towards the positive direction and this requires the joint efforts of everyone associated with this great football club. 

That does not sound to me like a man desperately looking for ways to get more money into the club.

Well this has been my whole point. Other owners aren't coming out and issuing statements and talking about FFP because either they're busy ignoring it or they're working behind the scenes to find ways around it. I don't actually believe Xia has any desire to spend more money on us one way or the other, I'd imagine he's looked at what successive managers have spent 'his' (?) millions on and thought "Right, well that hasn't worked." FFP is a convenient way of battening down the hatches while avoiding alienating the entire fanbase.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #399 on: June 03, 2018, 12:00:33 PM »
If that's the case, Xia needs to sell the club and move on.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #400 on: June 03, 2018, 12:26:13 PM »
It’s possible he’s just massively fucked off like the rest of us. That he needed to make a statement, get away for a bit, let things calm down and come back a little more rationale in thought. I expect we will hear from the club starting with Bruce’s future this week.

It has to be frustrating for someone who has come to love the club he bought, has huge ambitions for it, finding it mired in the second tier yet again and not being able to personally invest in it. And I think in part it is am ego thing, because he probably had business partners or friends back home that he wanted to claim he owned a PL club.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #401 on: June 03, 2018, 12:35:34 PM »
I think it's an ego thing. Had we gone up I think he would have pumped more in because it gets him press and he likes the attention of it all. Slumming it for a 3rd year in the Championship takes that prestige away. He wants to be in the Premier league, for his ego IMO as much as anything else.

A bit harsh to be honest.  He doesn't across to me as an ego manic.

I like the doc but that must be a joke?

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #402 on: June 03, 2018, 12:39:39 PM »
He must have thought he had done enough with the money he put in, the resources that were available and a manager that was a promotion expert.
His statement was full of emotion but light on action and strategy which is understandable but not reassuring.
We don’t know where he goes from here, maybe he doesn’t either.
Let’s hope he doesn’t turn into Lerner.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #403 on: June 03, 2018, 12:40:07 PM »
I think it's an ego thing. Had we gone up I think he would have pumped more in because it gets him press and he likes the attention of it all. Slumming it for a 3rd year in the Championship takes that prestige away. He wants to be in the Premier league, for his ego IMO as much as anything else.

In the West we would call it 'ego' but in China and the Far East it is 'face'. It will be a massive loss of face for him to fail so I do not expect him to do a Lerner.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #404 on: June 03, 2018, 12:42:06 PM »
He's just the latest in the long line of businessmen who think this football lark is easy and then find out it's not like running a normal company.

 


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