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Offline Matt Collins

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #225 on: May 30, 2018, 08:28:28 PM »
If we have to find £40 million in savings essentially this summer....

£3 million - Terry leaving
£2 million - Gabby leaving
£3 million - Gollini leaving
£2 million - Gil leaving
£2 million - Snodgrass leaving
£2 million - Elphick to Reading
£6 million - McCormack (4 million fee plus the wages saved)
£1 million - Johnstone leaving
£2 million - Deleat leaving
£1 million - Samba leaving
£1 million - Grabban leaving
£3 million - Lansbury leaving
£1 million - Hutton leaving

Even with all of that we are only at around £30 million, would be seriously screwed as we would be a keeper short, have 1 left back and 1 centre half, need 2 wingers and a centre forward. Going to need an incredibly patient fan base and board for whoever has this task. Could easily end up where Sunderland are (they must even more fucked than we are!)

£15m for Grealish when he goes to Huddersfield or Watford or wherever - We'll have £5m to buy a squad and pay wages. Job done.
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These numbers are a significant over estimate. They take no account of amortisation which is expaliend in various places. 7500 to Holte today published the best explanation

Offline Ad@m

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #226 on: May 30, 2018, 08:29:12 PM »
Stadium naming rights have a value, the only things debatable are what that value is, and then whether Tony can, or wants to, pay it.

Totally agree.  My point has always been though that the reason you almost never see already existing grounds sell naming rights is because that value is so small it's just not worth it.  So even if Tone decided he'd pay £500m in order to call Villa Park the "Recon Superdome" for FFP purposes it'd get completely ignored because it's nothing like fair market value.

To try to put a bit more science to something that's massively subjective (as Ads says), a consultancy produced a report on "market values" of naming rights for every club in the Premier League.  Traditionally we're considered fairly similar to Everton - we've had similar levels of on-field success, we've both got traditional old grounds and we've probably got similar global fanbases.  The only real difference at the moment is that they're in the Prem with the massive global exposure that brings vs the Championship.  This report set the market value of naming rights to Goodison as £2.8m a year.  What would that be worth in the Championship?  Our overseas correspondents talk about the challenges of watching Championship games live on TV around the world whereas pretty much every Prem game is broadcast live.

I just can't see that there's any merit whatsoever in renaming Villa Park.  FFP-fudge or not.  Bulldose it and rebuild Spurs-style and it'd be a whole different story but I don't want to be giving Tone ideas like that!!!

Offline SoccerHQ

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #227 on: May 30, 2018, 08:38:41 PM »
So other than pulling up the drawbridge for the elite few, all FFP really does is fuck over any clubs with the slightest bit of ambition.

I fucking hate modern football.

You can still show ambition. We showed ambition last two years and also the first 3 years under Lerner.

With ambition however you have to deliver. Likes of Chelsea and Man. City have realised it by winning trophies and establishing themselves in the champions league. We couldn't.

Wolves got up so will have no issues with FFP now. We didn't and will face the consquences of that along with many other clubs.

In the last 20 years we've just become a close but no cigar club.


Offline old man villa fan

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #228 on: May 30, 2018, 09:54:07 PM »
The problem with FFP now is that it hasn't kept up with the growing financial gap between Championship and PL.

Offline eamonn

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #229 on: May 31, 2018, 12:02:03 AM »
Approx £5m saved on Gollini and Terry in the space of a day. At this rate we'll be millionaires by the start of the new season, Rodney. FTF!*

*TF being FFP

Offline Nastylee

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #230 on: May 31, 2018, 12:05:09 AM »
It seems we went half measures. Either you cut your cloth accordingly when relegated or you say fuck it and spend big to get out. It seems we did neither. If FFP was going to wreck us if we weren't promoted then maybe there was a case for going all in last summer and putting a squad together that would piss the division rather than one that would be competitive.

Offline tomd2103

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #231 on: May 31, 2018, 12:16:47 AM »
It seems we went half measures. Either you cut your cloth accordingly when relegated or you say fuck it and spend big to get out. It seems we did neither. If FFP was going to wreck us if we weren't promoted then maybe there was a case for going all in last summer and putting a squad together that would piss the division rather than one that would be competitive.

We did spend big in that first season.  It’s just that we’ve had to spend again to replace most of those we bought back then.

Offline Nastylee

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #232 on: May 31, 2018, 12:20:42 AM »
But were they of the quality required to piss the league? IF FFP was always going to screw us then you make sure you're out of the division in two seasons rather than being mediocre for one then scraping a squad of loans together.

Offline tomd2103

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #233 on: May 31, 2018, 12:25:26 AM »
But were they of the quality required to piss the league? IF FFP was always going to screw us then you make sure you're out of the division in two seasons rather than being mediocre for one then scraping a squad of loans together.

They were bought as they all had decent pedigree in the division, but it soon transpired that they had been bought with little idea of how to utilise them properly and some just saw us as their golden ticket to easy street (again!!).  The amount of money we wasted in that first season is inexplicable really.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #234 on: May 31, 2018, 02:54:17 AM »
It seems we went half measures. Either you cut your cloth accordingly when relegated or you say fuck it and spend big to get out. It seems we did neither. If FFP was going to wreck us if we weren't promoted then maybe there was a case for going all in last summer and putting a squad together that would piss the division rather than one that would be competitive.
The big mistake was hiring a manager who was incapable of "pissing" the division.

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #235 on: May 31, 2018, 03:16:23 AM »
The biggest thing I take from the statement is that Bruce will be off.

Agreed.
Doesn’t that cost us rather than save money?
« Last Edit: May 31, 2018, 03:30:02 AM by olaftab »

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #236 on: May 31, 2018, 04:19:46 AM »
The biggest thing I take from the statement is that Bruce will be off.

Agreed.
Doesn’t that cost us rather than save money?

I thought Bruce was on a rolling contract, which is a concept I admit to not understanding but I assume it means that AVFC do not have to pay a lump some in compensation?

Offline Steve67

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #237 on: May 31, 2018, 06:07:23 AM »
Perhaps Bruce needs to read the small print in his rolling contract.  I imagine that terms and conditions are very much included!

Offline Ad@m

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #238 on: May 31, 2018, 06:32:25 AM »
The biggest thing I take from the statement is that Bruce will be off.

Agreed.
Doesn’t that cost us rather than save money?

I thought Bruce was on a rolling contract, which is a concept I admit to not understanding but I assume it means that AVFC do not have to pay a lump some in compensation?

If we could bin him at any point without compensation he basically doesn't have a contract.

A rolling contact normally means that at any point in time either party have to give a certain amount of notice, but there's no fixed end point until notice is given.  Normal contacts of employment that most of us will be working under are effectively rolling contracts.

Offline Matt Collins

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Re: Financial fair play
« Reply #239 on: May 31, 2018, 07:12:47 AM »
It seems we went half measures. Either you cut your cloth accordingly when relegated or you say fuck it and spend big to get out. It seems we did neither. If FFP was going to wreck us if we weren't promoted then maybe there was a case for going all in last summer and putting a squad together that would piss the division rather than one that would be competitive.

Half measures!?!!

Up until we went down we'd only ever paid double digits for a striker once. We then did it three times in 6 months. Three times! And we play one up front

We were the most expensive squad ever assembled in the championship

We're going to need a proper sense of reality for what's coming. In hindsight, if wed decided several years ago to become sustainable even if it meant taking a hit, we'd be in a better position now

The whole club needs to start operating in the real world, fans included 

 


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