Bodymoor Heath - Now the Recon Training Complex

[Nunkin1965]

I'm totally baffled by FFP. Can anyone explain how it operates to a mere simple decorater like what I am?
It seems to be full of loopholes which clubs are looking to exploit if they possibly can.
But I'm happy to say that I struggle to understand and would be happy for some guidance.

[paul_e]

I'm totally baffled by FFP. Can anyone explain how it operates to a mere simple decorater like what I am?
It seems to be full of loopholes which clubs are looking to exploit if they possibly can.
But I'm happy to say that I struggle to understand and would be happy for some guidance.

Have a look here - http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php

If there's anything that doesn't make sense after that then ask away.

[ChicagoLion]

I'm totally baffled by FFP. Can anyone explain how it operates to a mere simple decorater like what I am?
It seems to be full of loopholes which clubs are looking to exploit if they possibly can.
But I'm happy to say that I struggle to understand and would be happy for some guidance.

If you bung The Authority’s you can do whatever you like.

[Matt Collins]

The key principle is that you can’t make too large a loss, and plug it with subsidy from the owner

People try to get around this by disguising subsidy as a commercial deal - eg the owners or a related party sponsoring the stadium for a huge amount

I’m sure there’s some form of test and I’d be a bit worried that any deal of this sort falls foul of that

[Ad@m]

I’m sure there’s some form of test and I’d be a bit worried that any deal of this sort falls foul of that

I wouldn't.  Man City took the piss and got away with it.

[tomd2103]

We've only been there since the seventies, and it's imaginatively named after its geographical location.

Rather than losing any, I think this'll help me sleep.

Can't say I'm too upset about it either.  Most people will still refer to it as Bodymoor Heath any way, as they do with stadiums in other sports such as The Oval and Murrayfield which now have sponsors names in them.     

[eamonn]

I’m sure there’s some form of test and I’d be a bit worried that any deal of this sort falls foul of that

I wouldn't.  Man City took the piss and got away with it.

Were they running at a profit when they did? It might be easier to allow such investment through the books when it's less obviously offsetting a loss.

[Ad@m]

I’m sure there’s some form of test and I’d be a bit worried that any deal of this sort falls foul of that

I wouldn't.  Man City took the piss and got away with it.

Were they running at a profit when they did? It might be easier to allow such investment through the books when it's less obviously offsetting a loss.

I very much doubt it given how much of the Abu Dhabi royal family's money they spunked on players.

[KevinGage]

The key principle is that you can’t make too large a loss, and plug it with subsidy from the owner

People try to get around this by disguising subsidy as a commercial deal - eg the owners or a related party sponsoring the stadium for a huge amount

I’m sure there’s some form of test and I’d be a bit worried that any deal of this sort falls foul of that

This is where the BH deal seems a bit odd to me.   Recon is clearly Xia's company.

It will take the powers that be 0.0001th of a second to clock that as well, so in that scenario, he clearly is subsidising the club. (And if that sort of loophole was/is available, why wait until now to exploit it - why the limited spend fee-wise this year, when promotion really was priority 1,2 and 3).

It would make more sense if he got one of the companies Recon trades with to come to the party.  A company not actually owned or connected to Xia, but that relies on Recon for trade.  Get them to sponsor Villa in some way, shape or form on the understanding that they will benefit from better trade terms elsewhere.

[Ad@m]

It would make more sense if he got one of the companies Recon trades with to come to the party.  A company not actually owned or connected to Xia, but that relies on Recon for trade.  Get them to sponsor Villa in some way, shape or form on the understanding that they will benefit from better trade terms elsewhere.

What, you mean almost like a bribe?  Not sure how well that would go down against the UK Bribery Act...

[KevinGage]

One man's bribe is another man's favourable terms.

And if they were both Asian companies, good luck in locating the full accounts to prove that either way.

[paul_e]

The key principle is that you can’t make too large a loss, and plug it with subsidy from the owner

People try to get around this by disguising subsidy as a commercial deal - eg the owners or a related party sponsoring the stadium for a huge amount

I’m sure there’s some form of test and I’d be a bit worried that any deal of this sort falls foul of that

This is where the BH deal seems a bit odd to me.   Recon is clearly Xia's company.

It will take the powers that be 0.0001th of a second to clock that as well, so in that scenario, he clearly is subsidising the club. (And if that sort of loophole was/is available, why wait until now to exploit it - why the limited spend fee-wise this year, when promotion really was priority 1,2 and 3).

It would make more sense if he got one of the companies Recon trades with to come to the party.  A company not actually owned or connected to Xia, but that relies on Recon for trade.  Get them to sponsor Villa in some way, shape or form on the understanding that they will benefit from better trade terms elsewhere.

There's absolutely nothing to say a person can't own a club and sponsor it with another company they own, all the rules say is that the deal has to be realistic.  How you determine the realistic value of sponsoring the training ground is the question.  Given they can now add recon to the boards they do interviews in front of and the sheer number of televised games we have means we can probably argue the value up a fair bit.

[VinnieChase84]

The key principle is that you can’t make too large a loss, and plug it with subsidy from the owner

People try to get around this by disguising subsidy as a commercial deal - eg the owners or a related party sponsoring the stadium for a huge amount

I’m sure there’s some form of test and I’d be a bit worried that any deal of this sort falls foul of that

This is where the BH deal seems a bit odd to me.   Recon is clearly Xia's company.

It will take the powers that be 0.0001th of a second to clock that as well, so in that scenario, he clearly is subsidising the club. (And if that sort of loophole was/is available, why wait until now to exploit it - why the limited spend fee-wise this year, when promotion really was priority 1,2 and 3).

It would make more sense if he got one of the companies Recon trades with to come to the party.  A company not actually owned or connected to Xia, but that relies on Recon for trade.  Get them to sponsor Villa in some way, shape or form on the understanding that they will benefit from better trade terms elsewhere.

There's absolutely nothing to say a person can't own a club and sponsor it with another company they own, all the rules say is that the deal has to be realistic.  How you determine the realistic value of sponsoring the training ground is the question.  Given they can now add recon to the boards they do interviews in front of and the sheer number of televised games we have means we can probably argue the value up a fair bit.

The kit and sponsor values will be very interesting to see also. Could be a very large sum over a 5 year contract...........

[Comrade Blitz]

This FFP is utter bollocks isn't it?

Unless you are Man City or Real Merde

[Ads]

The key principle is that you can’t make too large a loss, and plug it with subsidy from the owner

People try to get around this by disguising subsidy as a commercial deal - eg the owners or a related party sponsoring the stadium for a huge amount

I’m sure there’s some form of test and I’d be a bit worried that any deal of this sort falls foul of that

This is where the BH deal seems a bit odd to me.   Recon is clearly Xia's company.

It will take the powers that be 0.0001th of a second to clock that as well, so in that scenario, he clearly is subsidising the club. (And if that sort of loophole was/is available, why wait until now to exploit it - why the limited spend fee-wise this year, when promotion really was priority 1,2 and 3).

It would make more sense if he got one of the companies Recon trades with to come to the party.  A company not actually owned or connected to Xia, but that relies on Recon for trade.  Get them to sponsor Villa in some way, shape or form on the understanding that they will benefit from better trade terms elsewhere.

There's absolutely nothing to say a person can't own a club and sponsor it with another company they own, all the rules say is that the deal has to be realistic.  How you determine the realistic value of sponsoring the training ground is the question.  Given they can now add recon to the boards they do interviews in front of and the sheer number of televised games we have means we can probably argue the value up a fair bit.

It has to be of market value. We're on TV every other game at the moment, who is to say that the commercial value to RECON isn't collectively across all 3 [potential] sponsorship arrangements worth £50 million a season or £100 million or whatever.