Bristol City v Aston Villa post-match thread

[mrfuse]

Genuinely, did anyone not on our coaching team think that Chester - Terry - Samba thing was going to work?

Totally agree, away from home we just hand the initiative to the opposition.

I think we have the squad to dictate both home and away.

[Dave]

Genuinely, did anyone not on our coaching team think that Chester - Terry - Samba thing was going to work?

"Steve - apparently some of them good teams are playing three at the back noo"

"Wor, I just gan and got two new centre backs. That's nearly three. Wor Tony used to play Chesto oot wide, he can probably do it. He can run more than John or Chris"

"Greet. How do Bristol play anyhoo? Shall I check?"

"Dinnee bother Colin, I think we got this"

[tomd2103]

I have seen much, much worse under Bruce, but that's really not saying much.

The first 20-25 minutes were like some sort of bad acid trip. Why try to be so clever?

Just do the same fucking thing with the same fucking players as you did against Norwich. This is a fucking awful league. We've got a strong squad that, purely by applying the minimum of common sense should be challenging at the top. That is exactly how Benitez got Newcastle up - no insane cleverness, just apply the minimum of common sense and let your squad do the work and get you up.

He's an infuriating manager. 90 minutes of exciting football last week and he's straight back to cautious just-don't-lose nonsense.

He's his own worse enemy.

Unfortunately, our expectations are now so fucking low, we have to think of that as a good result.

Couldn't agree more.  The blueprint was there last Saturday and when we went on a winning run towards the end of last season.  Unfortunately, he hasn't bought very well overall and in some cases the players don't really fit the system in question. 

[pauliewalnuts]

We came from behind to get something which can't have happened much over the last five years. Nonetheless I saw nothing tonight that makes me think we won't wind up disappointed in mid table again this year.

This.

We are basically slipping into Forest / Wednesday / Leeds style multi-year mediocrity.

[kippaxvilla2]

He couldn't play the same team because Hutton was injured.  Oh formation you mean, well, he knows how shit we have been away so I guess he was trying to instill a mental belief not to lose?  At least he changed it when he knew it went bat shit half way through the 1st half.

[Monty]

Genuinely, did anyone not on our coaching team think that Chester - Terry - Samba thing was going to work?

"Steve - apparently some of them good teams are playing three at the back noo"

"Wor, I just gan and got two new centre backs. That's nearly three. Wor Tony used to play Chesto oot wide, he can probably do it. He can run more than John or Chris"

"Greet. How do Bristol play anyhoo? Shall I check?"

"Dinnee bother Colin, I think we got this"

I...I wish this weren't so probably accurate.

[tomd2103]

He couldn't play the same team because Hutton was injured.  Oh formation you mean, well, he knows how shit we have been away so I guess he was trying to instill a mental belief not to lose?  At least he changed it when he knew it went bat shit half way through the 1st half.

Maybe he should try instilling a mental belief to win? 

He did change it half way through the first half, but that meant we still had to play with our best centre-back at right-back until the interval.

[Villatillidie1982]

MoM was Onomah. Looks a good prospect

The Aston Villa of long ago wouldn't have been happy with a point at Bristol City but this is now. A step forward. Plenty of fight if not enough quality. Send Terry back where he came from and the play offs are possible.

[Villatillidie1982]

Well Chris was saying how good they are at home, so I was pointing out they aren't.

And maybe we'll stop being a shit division 2 side if fans, manager and players stop thinking a draw away to crap sides like Bristol City is a good result. It's not a good point, it never has been and never will be.

Yep, SHA beat them there to stay up on the last day. They'll be mid table this season.

Mid table sides are the sort we need to be beating to make sure we get top 6 and also have a crack at automatic promotion. We're not getting 80 odd points just from home games.

On the performance a draw was fair but in the context of where we need to be this was two points dropped especially as we've started scoring goals and putting in convincing performances.

We have won 4 away matches in 2 years and how many others have we got a result in after falling behind? This is progress.

[Villatillidie1982]

Genuinely, did anyone not on our coaching team think that Chester - Terry - Samba thing was going to work?

Totally agree, away from home we just hand the initiative to the opposition.

I think we have the squad to dictate both home and away.

Chester and Samba can work, Ditch Terry. Too slow. Can only play when he has a class act alongside him. Anybody can look good playing for Chelsea.

[ChicagoLion]

Well Chris was saying how good they are at home, so I was pointing out they aren't.

And maybe we'll stop being a shit division 2 side if fans, manager and players stop thinking a draw away to crap sides like Bristol City is a good result. It's not a good point, it never has been and never will be.

Yep, SHA beat them there to stay up on the last day. They'll be mid table this season.

Mid table sides are the sort we need to be beating to make sure we get top 6 and also have a crack at automatic promotion. We're not getting 80 odd points just from home games.

On the performance a draw was fair but in the context of where we need to be this was two points dropped especially as we've started scoring goals and putting in convincing performances.

We have won 4 away matches in 2 years and how many others have we got a result in after falling behind? This is progress.

5 points out of 15 is progress?

[Villatillidie1982]

Well Chris was saying how good they are at home, so I was pointing out they aren't.

And maybe we'll stop being a shit division 2 side if fans, manager and players stop thinking a draw away to crap sides like Bristol City is a good result. It's not a good point, it never has been and never will be.

Yep, SHA beat them there to stay up on the last day. They'll be mid table this season.

Mid table sides are the sort we need to be beating to make sure we get top 6 and also have a crack at automatic promotion. We're not getting 80 odd points just from home games.

On the performance a draw was fair but in the context of where we need to be this was two points dropped especially as we've started scoring goals and putting in convincing performances.

We have won 4 away matches in 2 years and how many others have we got a result in after falling behind? This is progress.

5 points out of 15 is progress?

An away point after falling behind is progress. Not happened very often in recent years. This is supposed to be a thread about the Bristol City game which was an improvement on Cardiff and Reading so that is progress. This team isn't going to become Real Madrid. Please can fans stop expecting this happen.

[davidb]

Whelan was garbage
Elmo vs Albert....
The changes to the formation made little sense
The double subs was not what was needed, hogan is not a loan striker and Davis looked good
Green is our best  player right now

We miss jedinak and the ability of kodja to make a goal out of nothing

[ChicagoLion]

Well Chris was saying how good they are at home, so I was pointing out they aren't.

And maybe we'll stop being a shit division 2 side if fans, manager and players stop thinking a draw away to crap sides like Bristol City is a good result. It's not a good point, it never has been and never will be.

Yep, SHA beat them there to stay up on the last day. They'll be mid table this season.

Mid table sides are the sort we need to be beating to make sure we get top 6 and also have a crack at automatic promotion. We're not getting 80 odd points just from home games.

On the performance a draw was fair but in the context of where we need to be this was two points dropped especially as we've started scoring goals and putting in convincing performances.

We have won 4 away matches in 2 years and how many others have we got a result in after falling behind? This is progress.

5 points out of 15 is progress?

An away point after falling behind is progress. Not happened very often in recent years. This is supposed to be a thread about the Bristol City game which was an improvement on Cardiff and Reading so that is progress. This team isn't going to become Real Madrid. Please can fans stop expecting this happen.

We don't need to be Real Madrid to get out of this league, we do Need to be able to beat teams like Bristol City though.

[mr underhill]

and because we still can't so that, we won't.