The Much Awaited Return of Promotion Maths

[Drummond]

We haven't played against enough of the top teams yet to know whether we can really give them a game home and away

So it's wait and see for me

I don't think we can play 442 all the time so it will be interesting to see what he does

4 of our 5 wins have been against teams in the bottom 7.

That's how the fixtures fall. I'm just glad we've won them.

Were they in the bottom 7 when we played them or are they there now? i.e. as a result of losing to us. Anyone that's lost to us could say they've lost to a Top 7 team but as we've only just got there, the truth is they lost to teams lower down the league...

[ChicagoLion]

We haven't played against enough of the top teams yet to know whether we can really give them a game home and away

So it's wait and see for me

I don't think we can play 442 all the time so it will be interesting to see what he does

4 of our 5 wins have been against teams in the bottom 7.

That's how the fixtures fall. I'm just glad we've won them.

Were they in the bottom 7 when we played them or are they there now? i.e. as a result of losing to us. Anyone that's lost to us could say they've lost to a Top 7 team but as we've only just got there, the truth is they lost to teams lower down the league...

Which hairs are you trying to split?

[IFWaters]

I haven't followed this thread but to cut a long story short we need 56 points from 35 games for a top six finish. Doesn't sound too challenging does it?

How much for a top two?  I'd prefer to avoid that play off malarkey.

To answer your question, on average 87 points total to get automatic places. To guarantee it you would be looking about 92, so a tidy 2 points per game.

[ciggiesnbeer]

pfft, so we can even afford to not win a few games? Easy. 

[Clampy]

We haven't played against enough of the top teams yet to know whether we can really give them a game home and away

So it's wait and see for me

I don't think we can play 442 all the time so it will be interesting to see what he does

4 of our 5 wins have been against teams in the bottom 7.

That's how the fixtures fall. I'm just glad we've won them.

Were they in the bottom 7 when we played them or are they there now? i.e. as a result of losing to us. Anyone that's lost to us could say they've lost to a Top 7 team but as we've only just got there, the truth is they lost to teams lower down the league...

Which hairs are you trying to split?

He's just telling the truth. Like I said, that's how the fixtures fell. Does it matter where they are in the league as long as we get the three points?

[ChicagoLion]

We haven't played against enough of the top teams yet to know whether we can really give them a game home and away

So it's wait and see for me

I don't think we can play 442 all the time so it will be interesting to see what he does

4 of our 5 wins have been against teams in the bottom 7.

That's how the fixtures fall. I'm just glad we've won them.

Were they in the bottom 7 when we played them or are they there now? i.e. as a result of losing to us. Anyone that's lost to us could say they've lost to a Top 7 team but as we've only just got there, the truth is they lost to teams lower down the league...

Which hairs are you trying to split?

He's just telling the truth. Like I said, that's how the fixtures fell. Does it matter where they are in the league as long as we get the three points?

The results suggest we have done well against the bottom teams and not so well against the higher teams.
We need to start getting results against all teams if we are going up.
This starts with wolves on Saturday, if he gets a result then you can start to argue he is beginning to fulfill the mandate he has been given.
A defeat will be a massive blow to our ambitions.

[Clampy]

We haven't played against enough of the top teams yet to know whether we can really give them a game home and away

So it's wait and see for me

I don't think we can play 442 all the time so it will be interesting to see what he does

4 of our 5 wins have been against teams in the bottom 7.

That's how the fixtures fall. I'm just glad we've won them.

Were they in the bottom 7 when we played them or are they there now? i.e. as a result of losing to us. Anyone that's lost to us could say they've lost to a Top 7 team but as we've only just got there, the truth is they lost to teams lower down the league...

Which hairs are you trying to split?

He's just telling the truth. Like I said, that's how the fixtures fell. Does it matter where they are in the league as long as we get the three points?

The results suggest we have done well against the bottom teams and not so well against the higher teams.
We need to start getting results against all teams if we are going up.
This starts with wolves on Saturday, if he gets a result then you can start to argue he is beginning to fulfill the mandate he has been given.
A defeat will be a massive blow to our ambitions.

We've only lost two games though, one of which was Cardiff who are still up there. We can only play who we're down to play and we're not going to get results against all the teams, that's just not going to happen.

[Drummond]

We haven't played against enough of the top teams yet to know whether we can really give them a game home and away

So it's wait and see for me

I don't think we can play 442 all the time so it will be interesting to see what he does

4 of our 5 wins have been against teams in the bottom 7.

That's how the fixtures fall. I'm just glad we've won them.

Were they in the bottom 7 when we played them or are they there now? i.e. as a result of losing to us. Anyone that's lost to us could say they've lost to a Top 7 team but as we've only just got there, the truth is they lost to teams lower down the league...

Which hairs are you trying to split?

He's just telling the truth. Like I said, that's how the fixtures fell. Does it matter where they are in the league as long as we get the three points?

The results suggest we have done well against the bottom teams and not so well against the higher teams.
We need to start getting results against all teams if we are going up.
This starts with wolves on Saturday, if he gets a result then you can start to argue he is beginning to fulfill the mandate he has been given.
A defeat will be a massive blow to our ambitions.

If a defeat is a 'massive blow' is a win a massive boost?

If we lose away against Wolves, it will be the first league defeat in 8 games. I'm not sure why it would be a massive blow, though obviously we'd all be disappointed.

[ChicagoLion]

Yes a win would be a massive boost, I think in the context of a season some games become pivotal.
Getting beat would indicate that we don’t have what it takes to get results from the better teams in this league and we ain’t getting promoted if that is the case.

[Drummond]

Yes a win would be a massive boost, I think in the context of a season some games become pivotal.
Getting beat would indicate that we don’t have what it takes to get results from the better teams in this league and we ain’t getting promoted if that is the case.

So why not say that? Instead of focusing on the negative?

Why did you suggest I was splitting hairs? My point was that it's all relative especially this early in the season. The unbeaten run we've been on puts some credit in the bank, our season won't be won and lost in the next game.

[dave.woodhall]

Yes a win would be a massive boost, I think in the context of a season some games become pivotal.
Getting beat would indicate that we don’t have what it takes to get results from the better teams in this league and we ain’t getting promoted if that is the case.

Every team will lose at least one away game. Even the ones that get promoted.

[chrisw1]

I think the point is this game punches above it's weight - it's more than mere points. 

A win would be huge boost in so many ways, beating the top team in the league away from home, taking points from a promotion rival, a local derby and probably most important keeping our good run going.  It would be a massive confidence boost and maybe the validation that many fans are looking for that yes, this could be the real deal.

A loss on the other hand, whilst only 3 points and against one of the best teams in the division, would end the run and just allow the doubt to start creeping back in, certainly for the fans and maybe in the dressing room. 

Yes it's only one game and losing would by no means be the end of the world, but don't under estimate what a fantastic impact a win could have on our season.

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Wolves have played Cardiff, Sheffield United and Bristol City. They've taken one point.

Are they frauds too?

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