John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach

[WarszaVillan82]

Anton Ferdinand has a moving documentary on bbc one t 9pm tonight that explores his experience of racism in football, in which he talks for the first time about the infamous incident with John Terry.

The match is on of course but this will be essential viewing so to be recording. Anything other than Villa football match as would watch the programme at transmission.

Just watched the documentary, it's quite a tough watch and very emotional. Terry comes accross very badly in this, primarily as he avoided any responsibility for what he has done, rather than facing up to it and appologising (brave JT my arse). There are rumours that he is up for the Derby job. Hopefully this is true and he'll be gone soon.

[OCD]

If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

[Villan82]

Too much 'shrugging of the shoulders' about this case which shows just how far there is to go.

[CT]

That was a powerful hour of TV. The interview with the Kick it Out guy was very interesting.

It looks like Anton’s career went downhill from that very match, and yes, JT doesn't come across at all well in this. It must be difficult at the training ground when I’m sure all our players have watched it.

I’d love Stan Petrov back too.

[Steve67]

If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.

[brontebilly]

If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.

On what basis?

John Terry was a brilliant player, he was class even for us, but is a deeply flawed character (at best). Puts the club in a very awkward position having such a character on the coaching staff but preaching diversity, black lives matter and all that in public. 

[paul_e]

If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.

Do any of have the credentials to be the right choice for the job? If not then we shouldn't allow the decision to be ruled by sentimentality. We just need to bring in someone who will help improve the squad and can work with who we have already, if that is one of those guys then great.

JT looks a knob from that doc and I suspect most of us thought he was a knob at the time but at Villa he's been respectful and done everything in the right way, on that basis I wouldn't chase him out if he doesn't think this is the right job to go for.

[aldridgeboy]

Anton Ferdinand comes over as a throughly good bloke. It clearly affected his career, for something that wasn’t his fault.

[OCD]

If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.

Do any of have the credentials to be the right choice for the job? If not then we shouldn't allow the decision to be ruled by sentimentality. We just need to bring in someone who will help improve the squad and can work with who we have already, if that is one of those guys then great.

JT looks a knob from that doc and I suspect most of us thought he was a knob at the time but at Villa he's been respectful and done everything in the right way, on that basis I wouldn't chase him out if he doesn't think this is the right job to go for.

My original post was based on their being a vacancy for an apprentice coach who has an association with the club, has their badges and would be a leader. Smith has his 2 senior coaches and I like there being another coach who's closer to the player's age and is more recently retired. Mellberg and Laursen may fulfill these credentials too but I just think Petrov would be the better fit.

[KevinGage]

Like most at the time, I thought the defence of his use of the term didn't ring true. But even if we go with that line, to bellow that kind of phrase in a public space (which a football ground is, despite also being his work place) in any circumstance is shit.

That said, Terry has often cited Desailly as one of his key influences in breaking through at Chelsea. Both on the pitch, and maximising every training session.

We ourselves benefited from some of that when Terry arrived and we developed a long overdue professionalism, evidenced by the progress of Grealish and others.

Maybe he's a deep seated racist, or maybe he was just parroting phrases he would have heard all to often in the part of the world he grew up. Brainfart/ moment of madness whatever.

Strong characters like Drogba, Grabban, Mings et al don't seem to have had a problem with him over the years.

That in itself doesn't mean he can't be racist, ofc. But more would have come out if he was continually suspect in that area.

[brontebilly]

Anton Ferdinand comes over as a throughly good bloke. It clearly affected his career, for something that wasn’t his fault.

Yeah it's quite sad really as a few years later with BLM etc and Terry would most likely have been fired. What I don't get is the inability of his high profile brother to have caused a shit storm of epic proportions back then. Likes of Ashley Cole backing Terry didn't help matters. FA/Capello/Hodgson all acted disgracefully, if I recall correctly they didn't pick Rio so as not to cause issues with Terry? Capello walked when the FA took the easy option of removing the captaincy from Terry? Another high profile racist scumbag, Suarez, backed shamefully by his club at the time then too.

[luke95]

Let's not forget Terry was found NOT Guilty of racism by a criminal court.

[paul_e]

Let's not forget Terry was found NOT Guilty of racism by a criminal court.

On the basis that there was not enough footage to prove that his defence was incorrect, he did say the phrase, which is bad enough. That said, as I posted before, I do believe everyone has the right to 'fix' themselves and by all accounts Terry has tried to do so and, as above, people like Mings wouldn't shy away from calling him out if he was guilty of further cases.

[sid1964]

I wonder how Mings will react to Terry if he watches the Documentary?

[robbo1874]

If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.

Do any of have the credentials to be the right choice for the job? If not then we shouldn't allow the decision to be ruled by sentimentality. We just need to bring in someone who will help improve the squad and can work with who we have already, if that is one of those guys then great.

JT looks a knob from that doc and I suspect most of us thought he was a knob at the time but at Villa he's been respectful and done everything in the right way, on that basis I wouldn't chase him out if he doesn't think this is the right job to go for.

can’t disagree with any of that Paul. I didn’t want him, but he won me over. Haven’t seen the doco so can’t comment on it.