Quote from: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 01:59:08 PMQuote from: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 01:20:07 PMLike a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?Of course not, but that'll be a bit too late won't it, we had people making the excuse for him that 10 games in made promotion impossible, half a season in with form like we've shown under him so far as we're stuck down here for another year.
Quote from: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 01:20:07 PMLike a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?
Quote from: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 02:10:44 PMQuote from: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 01:59:08 PMQuote from: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 01:20:07 PMLike a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?Of course not, but that'll be a bit too late won't it, we had people making the excuse for him that 10 games in made promotion impossible, half a season in with form like we've shown under him so far as we're stuck down here for another year.So you're advocating sacking him now?
There must be more to this than meets the eye, I just really can't fathom it. It just doesn't seem to make sense no matter which angle you look at it.
Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen. As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.
Quote from: boozey182 on June 26, 2017, 02:18:00 PMThere must be more to this than meets the eye, I just really can't fathom it. It just doesn't seem to make sense no matter which angle you look at it. Perhaps Bruce thinks he has a lot to offer?
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
Quote from: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 02:56:04 PMNope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen. As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.But what about Bree? Bedeau? We're trying to sign Johnstone permanently by all accounts too? The likes of Terry and Whelan would be short-term fixes and there has to be a balance. We need a quick fix as much as we need a complete restructure.From what I've seen, Xia, Wyness, etc recognise this and are trying to do that. I don't disagree that Bruce isn't a forward-thinking, long-term appointment but Managers that would have been were nowhere to be seen (without taking more of a gamble than Bruce was widely regarded to be) at the time.Xia strikes me as being almost the complete opposite of Lerner. It's hard to argue that Bruce has performed anything other than poorly so far, and he'll know that his job's already under pressure. People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
Quote from: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 03:10:01 PMPeople romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...And Steve Sims - he was his first signing and I remember thinking wtf at the time!!
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 26, 2017, 03:36:56 PMQuote from: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 03:10:01 PMPeople romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...And Steve Sims - he was his first signing and I remember thinking wtf at the time!!Price and Mountfield were great for us.I refuse to be drawn on the subject of Steve Sims.
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
Love that last sentence Paul, fattism apart.