Summer transfer madness thread

[footyskillz]

Watch Gary Madine for bolton v Leeds exactly sort of striker the villa need to hold up play and offer Ariel threat.  It was embarrassing seeing Samba put in to lead the line and Madine would be ideal at this level as a go to option if Bruce has to fall to that sort of tactic . I also hoped Walters would have been signed as he's solid and again provides physical present which lacked yester . Either would work very well with Hogan . I was frustrated after a great first half seeing the rails go and despite a rally towards maybe 70 + my minutes the performance wasn't good enough. As we all know should have been out of sight by 20 mins let alone half time and someone like Madine or even crouch needed as physically need a striker with presence . I only talk like this due to Bruce and situation the way to plays and also as a plan B as evidence as to samba coming in to fray and being put up front .

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Oh hello hope you are having a good summer. And welcome back footy itself !!
Let's hope AVFC arrive in first place ! And to stop these draws .

[Gareth]

Watch Gary Madine for bolton v Leeds exactly sort of striker the villa need to hold up play and offer Ariel threat.  It was embarrassing seeing Samba put in to lead the line and Madine would be ideal at this level as a go to option if Bruce has to fall to that sort of tactic . I also hoped Walters would have been signed as he's solid and again provides physical present which lacked yester . Either would work very well with Hogan . I was frustrated after a great first half seeing the rails go and despite a rally towards maybe 70 + my minutes the performance wasn't good enough. As we all know should have been out of sight by 20 mins let alone half time and someone like Madine or even crouch needed as physically need a striker with presence . I only talk like this due to Bruce and situation the way to plays and also as a plan B as evidence as to samba coming in to fray and being put up front .

Agree we need a target man but think Madine is a bit of a head case - assault, prison and all that stuff.

Sam Gallagher on loan would be my choice

[SoccerHQ]

Bolton fans think Madine is rubbish and nowhere near championship standard.

[KevinGage]

With something approximating a scouting structure in place, I would have hoped for more than links to Crouch or other well past it forwards.

Bristol City have signed Diedhiou from Angers; the same club they signed Kodjia off.  Fulham have signed Aboubakar Kamara from Amiens.  Maybe both of those will fail, but if they do, at the fees they have gone for will mean minimal damage in the grand scheme of things. Unlike £12 million for McCormack or £15 million for Hogan et.c.

The midfielder B-lose signed on a free from Angers (Ndoye) was highly rated last season in the French top flight.  There are plenty of smart deals out there that wouldn't ruin us financially.

I'm just not convinced the football knowledge in key positions has been vastly upgraded post-Lerner.

[eamonn]

Skillz!

[paul_e]

With something approximating a scouting structure in place, I would have hoped for more than links to Crouch or other well past it forwards.

Bristol City have signed Diedhiou from Angers; the same club they signed Kodjia off.  Fulham have signed Aboubakar Kamara from Amiens.  Maybe both of those will fail, but if they do, at the fees they have gone for will mean minimal damage in the grand scheme of things. Unlike £12 million for McCormack or £15 million for Hogan et.c.

The midfielder B-lose signed on a free from Angers (Ndoye) was highly rated last season in the French top flight.  There are plenty of smart deals out there that wouldn't ruin us financially.

I'm just not convinced the football knowledge in key positions has been vastly upgraded post-Lerner.

I don't know, we've signed a few highly rated youngsters so I think the knowledge might be in the club but I don't think Bruce wants to add players like that to the squad.  It's very much the 'solid pros who've done a job in the prem' approach but given the finances and the gap between the 2 leagues it'll mean we only really get players who've been relegated or who are getting on a bit.  If we do sign more players I suspect it will be loans or players like Crouch.  As I've said a few times it's very much a promotion or bust strategy that will leave us looking at 7-8 new signings again next summer regardless of which league we're in.

[SoccerHQ]

With something approximating a scouting structure in place, I would have hoped for more than links to Crouch or other well past it forwards.

Bristol City have signed Diedhiou from Angers; the same club they signed Kodjia off.  Fulham have signed Aboubakar Kamara from Amiens.  Maybe both of those will fail, but if they do, at the fees they have gone for will mean minimal damage in the grand scheme of things. Unlike £12 million for McCormack or £15 million for Hogan et.c.

The midfielder B-lose signed on a free from Angers (Ndoye) was highly rated last season in the French top flight.  There are plenty of smart deals out there that wouldn't ruin us financially.

I'm just not convinced the football knowledge in key positions has been vastly upgraded post-Lerner.

We tried all that summer 2013....

[KevinGage]

So the key is probably not to fill the whole squad up with risky bargain basement buys from a lower standard of football, as per Lamberk.

But for where we are now -as a Championship side- I don't see how a player signed from Ligue 1 is coming from a lower standard.

[SoccerHQ]

So the key is probably not to fill the whole squad up with risky bargain basement buys from a lower standard of football, as per Lamberk.

But for where we are now -as a Championship side- I don't see how a player signed from Ligue 1 is coming from a lower standard.

Well we got in Okore who was a very highly rated CB who Chelsea wanted the previous season.

Helenius was highly rated aswell as an upcoming striker.

Bacuna had some pedigree with Holland under 21s capping him although the problems KEA had the previous year maybe should've showed the gulf from Holland to England.

Tonev was a terrible choice considering he hardly stood out in Polish league.

It's strange when you look at SB at previous club he's always signed players from abroad. Signed Hondurans at Wigan, couple of South Americans at Sunderland etc.

Whether those scouting networks have been much better at previous clubs or he's been directed from above to go down the foreign route I don't know but he's not allergic to signing foreign players like MON was here if you look at his previous record.

[paul_e]

So the key is probably not to fill the whole squad up with risky bargain basement buys from a lower standard of football, as per Lamberk.

But for where we are now -as a Championship side- I don't see how a player signed from Ligue 1 is coming from a lower standard.

Plenty of people thought Amavi, Veretout and Ayew weren't good enough for us despite them all being highly rated in that league.

[KevinGage]

Well we got in Okore who was a very highly rated CB who Chelsea wanted the previous season.

Helenius was highly rated aswell as an upcoming striker.

Bacuna had some pedigree with Holland under 21s capping him although the problems KEA had the previous year maybe should've showed the gulf from Holland to England.

Tonev was a terrible choice considering he hardly stood out in Polish league.

All those were coming from a weaker domestic league than the English top flight, so unless you are one of the genuine leading lights from that league (as Okore prob was, in fairness) the gulf is too big to chance.  Certainly if you are looking at those players as ones to come in and compete for a staring berth right from the outset.

[ASHTONVILLA]

Quite good business been done through the exit door thus far. If we can see the back of Elphick, Gardner, Amavi, and Bacuna in the next week or so then we will be in better financial shape and it will have zero effect on the squad. In a ideal world we would also get shot of Richards and Gabby as well, but I can't see anyone being stupid enough to take them off our hands. That would leave us with a more sensible squad size and wage bill, plus balance the books a bit.

If McCormack goes then we need another striker, and if Amavi goes we need someone that can be back up for Taylor. I think we need a left winger, preferably on loan so Green gets a chance to develop.

[ozzjim]

We need to find a striker that others can play off and that will hold the ball to let us get men forward.

[tomd2103]

We need to find a striker that others can play off and that will hold the ball to let us get men forward.

To be fair two we've been linked with this summer, Crouch and Gallagher, can both do that.  Think that type of forward would bring the best out of Kodjia and Hogan as well.

[ozzjim]

We need to get one of them in asap now. I would argue there must be a fair few big lumps that can do it round Europe worth taking a punt on too. Is Bentekes brother any good at Palace?