Summer transfer madness thread

[peter w]

Why? Everyone that isn't Ronaldo or Messi has their price.

[paul_e]

Why? Everyone that isn't Ronaldo or Messi has their price.

and I think everyone accepts that if we got a silly offer for anyone they'd be sold but suggesting that we should be trying to sell our top scorer who has been the 1 big positive in an poor/indifferent season is far from accepting that everyone has their price.

[peter w]

Again who said we should be selling Kodjia? The question was if someone was daft enough to pay 20m would you sell? i'd definitely sell because he's not worth 20m and we could replace him and add at least another player for that type of money.

[Ads]

No, I wouldn't sell. Sends the wrong message and I think he will score goals in the top flight too.

[Gareth]

My original question was more whether we thought Bruce would be happy to sell him? 

[peter w]

At the right price, yes.

[paul_e]

and what is that price for you and what should we do with the money?

[peter w]

I'm not the manager but it would be more than what we paid for him, especially if we're selling to Premier League teams with lots of money. What should we do with the money? Eh? other than re-invest in other players? Or do you mean specifically?

[brian green]

Every player has his price.  However, when you have as few top quality players as we have, currently one, you have to offset the price you get for your player with the net damage to your playing performance.  Half a season of bedding in a replacement player has a very quantifyable financial effect.  For example, we got a lot of money for Benteke but if we had been able to retain him the value of the club would be higher by a larger amount if he had kept us in the Premiership again.  If Kodjia's goals get us back in the Premiership it makes his  value to us on a par with Pogba or Hazard.

[Ads]

Who are we going to get that's better?

[peter w]

We may have him in hogan. or bruce may think that Kodjia in the team means that the team are too reliant on him and building around him means we lose something from somewhere else. There are plenty of players that can do what Kodjia has done - he's only a  Championship striker after all, and as our very own history has taught us losing one talismanic spearhead could help not hinder the team. Again, I'm not saying I want us to sell him but if the right money was offered, then we'd be silly not to seriously consider it.

For those that won't sell...not for any price? 20m? 25m? 30m? 35m? Everyone has their price.

[paul_e]

but Peter you're missing the point, the default should be 'not for sale' and then if a club offers silly money and he wants to leave it becomes a discussion.  Your comments about Bruce are the same problem as the Black thread, you're creating a scenario to support your argument that doesn't appear to exist.

The most recent 'talismanic spearhead' that we lost probably cost us our place in the premier league and every time we've lost our best player in the last 5 years we've gone backwards.  You're right that it doesn't always happen but given that recent history I find you being so ambivalent towards it when talking about a season where we cannot afford to fuck things up to be a very strange outlook, and it appears a lot of other people agree.  It's not that anyone thinks you (or anyone else) is calling for him to be sold, it's that we don't really understand the apathy towards the idea.

Oh and as for how to use the money I think there needs to be some specifics, who would be a reasonable replacement that would improve us as a team or at least not set us backwards.  I ask that because it has a bearing on what his value is.  If the replacement is someone that will cost 15-16m and he'll be about the same is it worth it for less than 25m?  For example.

[peter w]

Oh here we go. I'll pass.

[brian green]

A much more stimulating topic for the eminent participants on this thread is not how much for Johnny but how little for Gabby.  My guess is that the two arch pocket pickers of the unwary, Bruce and Wyness have put a value of £2 million on Gabby but could have their arms twisted down to £500k.   It will be to Wolves, a because they have a stupid manager and because Gabby will not want to leave Château Agbonlahor with its 24 TV screens on a loop of his favourite goals in every room.

[paul_e]

I agree Brian, How much can we get back on:

Richards
Elphick
Bacuna
Gardner
Gabby
Sanchez
Fat Ross
Gollini (I'd rather keep him but it's seems pretty certain that's he's off)
Gil
Gabby

Just to name a few.

If we sell most of them and use that money to fund a keeper, a central defenders (given we have 3 right backs of whom De Laet can cover centrally), a defensive midfielder, and a left winger I'd be pretty happy.  Add another striker who offers something different and we'll be well set without really having to sell anyone we want to keep and without spending a huge amount.  4-5 signings this summer really should be the limit, we need a quieter window in terms on incomings.