Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[ozzjim]

43% win rate with the resources at his disposal was poor. Promoted managers get around 60% plus, Bruce had too many spells of not winning games and seemingly losing the team from one week to the next. No one player looked like they knew their role either. Just poor.

As for the pundits all coming out lambasting the club for sacking him, they are not objective at all.

[purpletrousers]

The Mail on Sunday's Oliver Holt: "Spoke to Steve Bruce at Craven Cottage six months ago, two weeks after his dad had died. He was grace personified. His mum died soon after. He was still giving everything for the club. Last night, some moron of a 'fan' threw a cabbage at him. Sometimes, football stinks."

His body language communicated he was truly a broken man that day. Quite understandably.
 
I've never heard anyone complain that he used to manage Blues.
I've heard people be grateful that things definitely stopped sliding, and there were times of confidence and enjoyable games and runs.

But equally times of incredible frustration, lack of positive risk taking.
Results and position in relation to resources speak for themselves.

Tactics, organisation, shape, strategy, recruitment, selection (or lack thereof) have brought an inevitable conclusion. Actions have consequences.

A lovely and good man we'd have had to jettison had we gone up anyway, who is way off the pace of the modern game, clearly has some good attributes in building relationships and bonds, but obvious lacking in competence to fulfill his duty.

I'm sorry if he did get any personal abuse (find it hard to believe someone might have shouted about his parents, appalled if they did.)

Cabbagegate: did it get very near him? Was it *at* him or just in the viscinity?
I think it's possible it did speed up the inevitable, it's not the sort of headline the club want.

Of course you can (rightly) argue chucking anything is risky and wrong. Yet it does have a slight pantomime feel to it, having grown up with it being ok to launch bog rolls from the Holte, there is that part of me that found it funny, or... simply appropriate commentary.

I can't help but think its the tasteless mush of overboiled cabbage Bruce served up for the hungry fans returned to him raw.

[purpletrousers]

Just to add when it looked like we were going bust in the summer I was reluctantly grateful he was there for stability. Things changed.

[AV82EC]

The Mail on Sunday's Oliver Holt: "Spoke to Steve Bruce at Craven Cottage six months ago, two weeks after his dad had died. He was grace personified. His mum died soon after. He was still giving everything for the club. Last night, some moron of a 'fan' threw a cabbage at him. Sometimes, football stinks."

His body language communicated he was truly a broken man that day. Quite understandably.
 
I've never heard anyone complain that he used to manage Blues.
I've heard people be grateful that things definitely stopped sliding, and there were times of confidence and enjoyable games and runs.

But equally times of incredible frustration, lack of positive risk taking.
Results and position in relation to resources speak for themselves.

Tactics, organisation, shape, strategy, recruitment, selection (or lack thereof) have brought an inevitable conclusion. Actions have consequences.

A lovely and good man we'd have had to jettison had we gone up anyway, who is way off the pace of the modern game, clearly has some good attributes in building relationships and bonds, but obvious lacking in competence to fulfill his duty.

I'm sorry if he did get any personal abuse (find it hard to believe someone might have shouted about his parents, appalled if they did.)

Cabbagegate: did it get very near him? Was it *at* him or just in the viscinity?
I think it's possible it did speed up the inevitable, it's not the sort of headline the club want.

Of course you can (rightly) argue chucking anything is risky and wrong. Yet it does have a slight pantomime feel to it, having grown up with it being ok to launch bog rolls from the Holte, there is that part of me that found it funny, or... simply appropriate commentary.

I can't help but think its the tasteless mush of overboiled cabbage Bruce served up for the hungry fans returned to him raw.

Superb 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[cdward]

I wish whoever the moron was who thre the cabbage hadn't done it because not only was a fucking stupid thing to do but it has detracted from why he was sacked.

I disagree. Aston Villa Football Club, the owners, the board and the fans all know why he was sacked.
The cabbage brought media spotlight on to the situation, and allowed opportunities for people to air their opinions.
The cabbage was pure pantomime, that modern football now loves and it will be talked about for years, nobody was hurt.
 If people choose to focus on the cabbage and not the football story, that's their choice.
It's done now, i am glad it was done. It was and still is funny.

[Rudy65]

His sacking was always going to end with clueless pundits who haven't really noticed Villa now that we're not in the Premier League, lazily regurgitating tired cliches.  They'll have heard other people mentioning the 4 promotions, and that's as much as most of them know.

From the outside, and without really knowing the club like most pundits, he has done a decent job. Stabilised the club after RDM, got us to the PO final last year but has had an "unlucky" start to the season having lost the seasoned professionals like Terry etc. The reality to all of us fans is very different

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I'm enjoying Steve Bruce at weddings again on Twitter.

[Chris Jameson]

I wish whoever the moron was who thre the cabbage hadn't done it because not only was a fucking stupid thing to do but it has detracted from why he was sacked.

I disagree. Aston Villa Football Club, the owners, the board and the fans all know why he was sacked.
The cabbage brought media spotlight on to the situation, and allowed opportunities for people to air their opinions.
The cabbage was pure pantomime, that modern football now loves and it will be talked about for years, nobody was hurt.
 If people choose to focus on the cabbage and not the football story, that's their choice.
It's done now, i am glad it was done. It was and still is funny.

I'm not glad it was done, didn't think it was funny and as I said it is what is being talked about by those not connected to Villa, rather than looking at why he was sacked.

[mr underhill]

the only thing that matters is that the club saw the reality and acted. Everything else is irrelevant.

[Hookeysmith]

the only thing that matters is that the club saw the reality and acted. Everything else is irrelevant.

agreed

[clash city rocker]

He was paid handsomely and backed handsomely. At the end of the day he failed to deliver results wise ,entertainment wise and personnel wise that is why he was relieved of his duties. I wish him well in the future but it was a decision that our owners had to take to protect their investment.

[footyskillz]

Only a few in the media are switched on and have got it right, Percy and Liam Rosenior are a couple who have called it spot on. All the others have spouted the usual shit; proper football man, promotion expert, too soon to sack him, because he's ex Blues the fans wanted him gone.

It isn't too soon, it's five months too late. The day after the play off final we should have said "thanks Steve but you failed your remit for the season" and he should have gone then. If we'd got a decent manager in in the summer I genuinely believe we'd be top two now. There's no guarantees in football but you couldn't have chosen an easier start and he's made a royal mess of it.

Yes Quinton 
Regards Rosenior he was fair and honest on his assessment and he knows Bruce and respects him.
Finding Rosenior to be a very decent pundit.
He was on the ball with his comments having watched matches and was well aware of the state of play and that was major underachievement.

Really was good hearing him yesterday when Minto was asking the questions .
What was also good was that Rosenior despite liking and knowing Bruce and playing under him he still spoke up and said it how it is .

Rosenior acknowledge the size of villa and the fans and the rightful expectations and that a manager should have to deal with those expectations when you're at a club size of villa.

He said how 22/24 managers would want that squad and that the budget and squad are the best and are essentially underachieving - in relation to being only few points of play offs - it's still underachieving. Where as everyone else just says 2 points of play offs

[russon]

Now that he's gone I'd like to day that I'm sorry for the number of disagreements I've been involved with on this thread. It's never been a case of looking for them,  I just hated seeing us waste opportunity after opportunity under Bruce and couldn't believe the amount of support he got for what I've always seen as lazy, dull and ineffective management.

At times the results were ok but it was never anything sustainable and I could never get behind that sort of shit or bust approach as l always thought it would fail.

I just hope that the next guy doesn't lead to another 18 months of arguments on here.

We had at least 18 months of arguments on here when MON was getting us into Europe with top six finishes and getting us to cup semi finals and a final so don't hold your breath.

Agreed.

[cdbearsfan]

Now that he's gone I'd like to day that I'm sorry for the number of disagreements I've been involved with on this thread. It's never been a case of looking for them,  I just hated seeing us waste opportunity after opportunity under Bruce and couldn't believe the amount of support he got for what I've always seen as lazy, dull and ineffective management.

At times the results were ok but it was never anything sustainable and I could never get behind that sort of shit or bust approach as l always thought it would fail.

I just hope that the next guy doesn't lead to another 18 months of arguments on here.

We had at least 18 months of arguments on here when MON was getting us into Europe with top six finishes and getting us to cup semi finals and a final so don't hold your breath.

Agreed.

I disagree with every post above, even the ones that contradict each other.

[purpletrousers]

I disagree with every post above, even the ones that contradict each other.

You're wrong.