Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[sickbeggar]

I want him to go with the youth team personally, but the reaction shown already when someone has a bad game shows the dangers of it for any manager. If you've got 10 youth players then with the best will in the world you're probably looking at 1 who will make it, and a couple more who can earn a living at it, but you have to play them to find out. And when you play then you have to fully expect them to be completely crap whether the opposition is good bad or indifferent, and then play them again to see if they improve and adapt. Same goes for if they start well - how many of our youth players over the years have made a promising start and then faded?

Now we've got some backers i'm not surprised Bruce is looking and went for more experienced players.  What does annoy me is bringing in the likes of Tzunzebe and moriera who are no more of a sure thing than the kids we have here already.

[Rigadon]

Some of the opinions on this are hyperbolic and very one-sided.  For example, how exactly did Bruce "throw the youth players under the bus" etc?  All he pointed out was that they didn't exactly cover themselves in glory (as most would concur on here I"d expect) v Yeovil.  He also said that the experience would stand them in good stead.  Can't argue with that.

Some people wanting the youth team to be played, but contradicting the point by admitting only 1 or 2 from a generation will be good enough?

As for moaning about that scoundrel Steve Bruce having a network in the transfer market, built up from a couple of decades of being a manager?  Or spending money on players (like every single football manager ever)?  Bizarre.  He gets some wrong, and some right (again, like all other managers).

Bruce is not in any way perfect, I'd like to see a more progressive coach come in after him (hopefully when we're back in the PL) and that we play good, exciting football .  But he isn't as bad as some on here make out and could well get us up this year, which like somebody said above, is miraculous given where we were as a club just a few weeks ago.

[sickbeggar]

Some of the opinions on this are hyperbolic and very one-sided.  For example, how exactly did Bruce "throw the youth players under the bus" etc?  All he pointed out was that they didn't exactly cover themselves in glory (as most would concur on here I"d expect) v Yeovil.  He also said that the experience would stand them in good stead.  Can't argue with that.

Some people wanting the youth team to be played, but contradicting the point by admitting only 1 or 2 from a generation will be good enough?

As for moaning about that the scoundrel Steve Bruce has a network i the transfer market, built up from a couple of decades of being a manager?  Or spending money on players (like every single football manager ever)?  Bizarre.  He gets some wrong, and some right (again, like all other managers).

Bruce is not in any way perfect, I'd like to see a more progressive coach come in after him (hopefully when we're back in the PL) and that we play good, exciting football .  But he isn't as bad as some on here make out and could well get us up this year, which like somebody said above, is miraculous given where we were as a club just a few weeks ago.

erm...that's how it is. Even the clubs with the best record of bringing through youth, bin loads because they're not good enough, but a month ago it seemed a plan because we had no choice. Given there seems a bit of more financial leeway than there was, then obviously Bruce should be looking at more proven players as well. But looking at what we have currently in the squad he needs to persevere with youth players as well, and giving experience to the likes of Tuanzebe so Manu can develop him or flog him at the expense of our youth seems a poor decision to me. I would have have no problem if Bruce had bought a proven championship centre half and selected him in front of the kids but he didn't.

[Rigadon]

I know that's how it is, but you started your post by saying you want him to play the youth team.  Maybe I misunderstood in that you wanTED (i.e. before we escaped possible administration) him to do this, but now we don't have to that is good, because that would've been shite.  Know what you mean about us loaning in youth players  and playing them ahead of our own.  I guess the counter argument there is that if they a re highly thought of at Man Utd etc, they might be better prospects.   Agree that this might not be the case. 

[sickbeggar]

I know that's how it is, but you started your post by saying you want him to play the youth team.  Maybe I misunderstood in that you wanTED (i.e. before we escaped possible administration) him to do this, but now we don't have to that is good, because that would've been shite.  Know what you mean about us loaning in youth players  and playing them ahead of our own.  I guess the counter argument there is that if they a re highly thought of at Man Utd etc, they might be better prospects.   Agree that this might not be the case.

if there's money to spend and it means good proven players coming then yeah. Tuanzebe has played a few cup and prem games for Man United and has a few U21 caps. By that reckoning Gary Gardner should be in the first team. He could turn into a world beater but the end of the day we aint gonna benefit from it beyond this season. It's a thin line really. I think a lot of people on here would like snodgrass back on loan at the expense of the youth and he's done it at this level and is obviously better than what we have now, BUT again he's not ours, he's 30 and do you sacrifice possibly developing one of the kids long term who could be as good as him in 3 years time? I'm not sure i know the answer

[four fornicholl]

We need to do everything we can to get up this year, as we've had a very lucky break. Too much pressure on the youth this season, for me, they need to wait a bit longer yet.

[Gregorys Boy]

I think we have a very solid first eleven who if thinks fall there way and with a bit of work in certain areas could have a strong season.  I'm in favour of pushing youth sometimes to keep the established players on their toes.  But I think it would be too much of a gamble to make drastic changes when it comes to pushing youth over experience. 

[sickbeggar]

youth players have to sink or swim. Ugo had some appalling games for us as a kid, likewise Cahill. You have to play them and they have to experience that and learn from it. End of the day Tuanzebe will either be a success and bugger off or will be crap or average and this time next summer we'll be looking at buying a replacement with the likes of Suliman and Bedeau a year older without that experience.

[chrisw1]

Some of the opinions on this are hyperbolic and very one-sided.  For example, how exactly did Bruce "throw the youth players under the bus" etc?  All he pointed out was that they didn't exactly cover themselves in glory (as most would concur on here I"d expect) v Yeovil.  He also said that the experience would stand them in good stead.  Can't argue with that.

Some people wanting the youth team to be played, but contradicting the point by admitting only 1 or 2 from a generation will be good enough?

As for moaning about that scoundrel Steve Bruce having a network in the transfer market, built up from a couple of decades of being a manager?  Or spending money on players (like every single football manager ever)?  Bizarre.  He gets some wrong, and some right (again, like all other managers).

Bruce is not in any way perfect, I'd like to see a more progressive coach come in after him (hopefully when we're back in the PL) and that we play good, exciting football .  But he isn't as bad as some on here make out and could well get us up this year, which like somebody said above, is miraculous given where we were as a club just a few weeks ago.

Yep, good post

[john e]

Some of the opinions on this are hyperbolic and very one-sided.  For example, how exactly did Bruce "throw the youth players under the bus" etc?  All he pointed out was that they didn't exactly cover themselves in glory (as most would concur on here I"d expect) v Yeovil.  He also said that the experience would stand them in good stead.  Can't argue with that.

Some people wanting the youth team to be played, but contradicting the point by admitting only 1 or 2 from a generation will be good enough?

As for moaning about that scoundrel Steve Bruce having a network in the transfer market, built up from a couple of decades of being a manager?  Or spending money on players (like every single football manager ever)?  Bizarre.  He gets some wrong, and some right (again, like all other managers).

Bruce is not in any way perfect, I'd like to see a more progressive coach come in after him (hopefully when we're back in the PL) and that we play good, exciting football .  But he isn't as bad as some on here make out and could well get us up this year, which like somebody said above, is miraculous given where we were as a club just a few weeks ago.

Yep, good post

My opinion of how good Bruce is remains the same as it was before he came
he’s as good as Alardyce, Pulis, Warnock, Lamberts, Hughes, Moyes etc

They have all had their moments including Bruce one of them is currently top of our league another got auto promotion last season, they all have their good points in which to praise them

but none of them are the type of manager i want at Villa,
tacticaly, Football style and players they all buy in are not what iever wanted to see

so Bruce or any of the above will never be good enough for me because I just don’t enjoy watching that type of football it’s as simple as that

[Dante Lavelli]

Any chance we can start sounding out Rodgers.  It appears that he is getting a bit fed up at Celtic and I long for seeing some slightly progressive football.

[Malandro]

Get rid.

[ChicagoLion]

Some of the opinions on this are hyperbolic and very one-sided.  For example, how exactly did Bruce "throw the youth players under the bus" etc?  All he pointed out was that they didn't exactly cover themselves in glory (as most would concur on here I"d expect) v Yeovil.  He also said that the experience would stand them in good stead.  Can't argue with that.

Some people wanting the youth team to be played, but contradicting the point by admitting only 1 or 2 from a generation will be good enough?

As for moaning about that scoundrel Steve Bruce having a network in the transfer market, built up from a couple of decades of being a manager?  Or spending money on players (like every single football manager ever)?  Bizarre.  He gets some wrong, and some right (again, like all other managers).

Bruce is not in any way perfect, I'd like to see a more progressive coach come in after him (hopefully when we're back in the PL) and that we play good, exciting football .  But he isn't as bad as some on here make out and could well get us up this year, which like somebody said above, is miraculous given where we were as a club just a few weeks ago.

Rubbish

[Toronto Villa]

It was always going to happen. We in many ways jammied our way to 3 wins this season. All three games we could have lost. Somehow we won them. Now come the draws, then the defeats. I can see Brentford now doing us at Villa Park this week. They won’t be afraid at all.

[ChicagoLion]

Can’t wait until he is gone.