Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[PeterWithesShin]

But it’s OK for Clampy to call me unpleasant?

Nope, he'll be banned as well if he keeps it up.

You've both been asked numerous times to stop this petty shite, had numerous warnings and yet both still persist with it.

[Allan C]

Steve Bruce losing his parents should not have been brought up in this forum at all on either side of the Bruce in or out debate. Truth is nobody knows how he feels about it and in truth nobody should cos it’s private for him and his family. Using it as an excuse on either side of the debate is insensitive st the very least

[Clampy]

But it’s OK for Clampy to call me unpleasant?

Nope, he'll be banned as well if he keeps it up.

You've both been asked numerous times to stop this petty shite, had numerous warnings and yet both still persist with it.

Possibly banned for what? For making a comment about someone being flippant over  the death of someone's parents just because they don't like them? If he's going to post something like that, then he can at least exepect a response. Calling what he said 'unpleasant' was tame really.

[Stu]

Steve Bruce losing his parents should not have been brought up in this forum at all on either side of the Bruce in or out debate. Truth is nobody knows how he feels about it and in truth nobody should cos it’s private for him and his family. Using it as an excuse on either side of the debate is insensitive st the very least

He's right, you know.

[sickbeggar]

I lost both my parents at an early age and i don't expect sympathy. woolacoombe beach 1976. 2 hours before they found me with the deckchair attendant 'n all.

[Malandro]

But it’s OK for Clampy to call me unpleasant?

Nope, he'll be banned as well if he keeps it up.

You've both been asked numerous times to stop this petty shite, had numerous warnings and yet both still persist with it.

Possibly banned for what? For making a comment about someone being flippant over  the death of someone's parents just because they don't like them? If he's going to post something like that, then he can at least exepect a response. Calling what he said 'unpleasant' was tame really.

Unpleasant, I don't think it's unpleasant at all.

Bruce got on with his job, but failed. It seems to be Bruce's fans that are trying to attribute our failure to his grief.
Bruce hasn't said a word.

Most rounded people his age would do the same. You get on with it for your family.
Harsh? No, it's being adult.

[jwarry]

Steve Bruce losing his parents should not have been brought up in this forum at all on either side of the Bruce in or out debate. Truth is nobody knows how he feels about it and in truth nobody should cos it’s private for him and his family. Using it as an excuse on either side of the debate is insensitive st the very least

Absofuckinglutely

[paul_e]

The last one though is completely true and nothing to do with Henry, Bruce did fail twice.

The first time he had 35 games to do it, not 46. Probably more mitigation than the thing Risso doesn't want to hear about again.

True, and I'll accept automatic promotion had gone but the playoffs should've been possible.  We were 10 points short when he arrived and he'd cut that to 4 within 2 months but then 5 wins from 16 over the next 3 months killed the chance. RDM got sacked for a record like that and yet Bruce was excused for it and we're still expected to believe that RDM was why we failed that season.  The truth is both of them were shit which is why we didn't even make the top half.

[Legion]

Can we move on from this please?

[Risso]

But it’s OK for Clampy to call me unpleasant?

Nope, he'll be banned as well if he keeps it up.

You've both been asked numerous times to stop this petty shite, had numerous warnings and yet both still persist with it.

Possibly banned for what? For making a comment about someone being flippant over  the death of someone's parents just because they don't like them? If he's going to post something like that, then he can at least exepect a response. Calling what he said 'unpleasant' was tame really.

Unpleasant, I don't think it's unpleasant at all.

Bruce got on with his job, but failed. It seems to be Bruce's fans that are trying to attribute our failure to his grief.
Bruce hasn't said a word.

Most rounded people his age would do the same. You get on with it for your family.
Harsh? No, it's being adult.

That was exactly the point I was trying to make, although I accept it possibly could have been made better.  Bruce seemed to cope admirably with what was a very harrowing situation personally. His failure to get us promoted was solely down to his limitations as a manager.

[Madferret62]

For the record- grief has no age, no time limit and simply should not form part of any discussion but third parties. There will be people who have and are still grieving. Th S place should be an escape from that.

Suggest lock and move on.

[sirlordbaltimore]

My one wish for this season is that we never have to hear the excuse about Bruce's parents ever again.  He's 57, it's hardly unusual to have lost both parents by that age.

Your one wish? Maybe you should wish that Steve Bruce succeeds in his job.

Don't be daft!

[Chris Harte]

The last one though is completely true and nothing to do with Henry, Bruce did fail twice.

The first time he had 35 games to do it, not 46. Probably more mitigation than the thing Risso doesn't want to hear about again.

True, and I'll accept automatic promotion had gone but the playoffs should've been possible.  We were 10 points short when he arrived and he'd cut that to 4 within 2 months but then 5 wins from 16 over the next 3 months killed the chance. RDM got sacked for a record like that and yet Bruce was excused for it and we're still expected to believe that RDM was why we failed that season.  The truth is both of them were shit which is why we didn't even make the top half.

If we'd sacked Bruce we'd have been on our third manager of the season. Perhaps that's what saved him. Who knows?

Incidently, this is the most civil discussion I've had on the Henry/Bruce thing with someone on the opposite side of the fence , so thanks for that.

[papa lazarou]

Let's look on the bright side, our name hasn't changed to Thierry Henry's Aston Villa, for the time being anyway.

[paul_e]

The last one though is completely true and nothing to do with Henry, Bruce did fail twice.

The first time he had 35 games to do it, not 46. Probably more mitigation than the thing Risso doesn't want to hear about again.

True, and I'll accept automatic promotion had gone but the playoffs should've been possible.  We were 10 points short when he arrived and he'd cut that to 4 within 2 months but then 5 wins from 16 over the next 3 months killed the chance. RDM got sacked for a record like that and yet Bruce was excused for it and we're still expected to believe that RDM was why we failed that season.  The truth is both of them were shit which is why we didn't even make the top half.

If we'd sacked Bruce we'd have been on our third manager of the season. Perhaps that's what saved him. Who knows?

Incidently, this is the most civil discussion I've had on the Henry/Bruce thing with someone on the opposite side of the fence , so thanks for that.

I agree completely, but that's my point, he could easily have been sacked for that run, he could easily have been sacked for the run at the end of the first season and start of his 2nd which saw him get about 10 points from 12 games (and give Cardiff a huge headstart) and he could easily have been sacked for failing in the play offs.  A manager who deserves longer doesn't have a list of possible sacking dates like that so I don't think it's fair to call people moronic if they wanted a change in manager because they expect him to fail again.