Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[pauliewalnuts]

I can't escape the fact that the manager situation seems so pointless given the wider problems.

Like worrying about the garden while your house is on fire.

[PaulWinch again]

I can't escape the fact that the manager situation seems so pointless given the wider problems.

Like worrying about the garden while your house is on fire.

That’s the same as me. I have a similar view when I think of fixtures etc, none of it seems to matter at the moment due to the appalling mismanagement at the club.

[ktvillan]

The performance of the team will affect our financial situation assuming we don't go bust.  Especially if we either get promoted or, god forbid, drop another division.   The manager affects the team performance.  That's why it's important to me.  One of the the fire hydrants is in the garden if you like.  I even think Bruce would maybe  get us there or thereabouts again even with a weaker squad.   The problem is I think it would be thereabouts rather than there, whereas I think a decent coach might have the chance of doing just as well but also developing the younger players and building something for the following season and beyond. 

[GarTomas]

I can't escape the fact that the manager situation seems so pointless given the wider problems.

Like worrying about the garden while your house is on fire.

I’d hope that they are being looked at in isolation to an extent though. 

Regardless of the manager there should be a working budget going forward; clearly it will be flexible based on player sales which will clearly change based on the manager.  For example it seemed Elphick was off but another manager may come in and see on balance that Elphick and Chester is fine and improvement is needed more in other areas.

[GarTomas]

The has Bruce got the best out of (insert player name here) list : My opinions, you can have you're own clearly

So, since Bruce arrived at Villa Park, has he gotten the best out of the players we have ?

Johnstone - Yes

Hutton - Yes
Terry - Yes
Chester - Yes
Taylor - No
Elmo - Yes
Bree - No, one for the future though clearly
De Laet - Can't say, loaned out
Richards - Yes, being left out altogether is clearly the best thing for this plank
Elphick - No. Hard to say for sure, loaned out

Whelan - No. Although i genuinely don't know what his best is to compare with
Jedinak - Yes
Lansbury - No
Hourianne - Yes
Grealish - Yes
Green - Yes, not many chances but looked promising before the injury
Bjarnason - No
Adomah - Yes
Snodgrass - Yes
Onomah - No

Hogan - No
Kodjia - Yes
McCormack - No
Davis - Yes
Grabban - Yes
Gabby - I really don't know if he has a best

This is not hugely relevant going forward in my opinion.  He got the best out of Johnstone and Terry; expect neither to be here next year. The Nos for Taylor, Lansbury, Hogan etc are for players he bought.

Bruce I think (someone will prove me wrong with data) has always operated a churn approach with players I think where some do well and stick and others dont. The danger with that is those that don’t you then struggle to move on and those that do well you struggle to hold onto.

Do you give Bruce another chance or look at a coach or manager who is more based around coaching players to their potential or implementing a system that functions based around those same limitations?

[SamTheMouse]

I can't escape the fact that the manager situation seems so pointless given the wider problems.

Like worrying about the garden while your house is on fire.

My view also.

In order for a football club to compete on the pitch, it first has to exist. Existence being a prerequisite for most things.

Hence, I currently couldn't give a toss whether we're managed by Steve Bruce, Bruce Banner, or the exhumed corpse of Sir Bruce Forsyth.

*In fact, every time I visit this site, I scratch my head in wonderment at the fact that this topic is attracting more comments than any other.

[CT]

I can't escape the fact that the manager situation seems so pointless given the wider problems.

Like worrying about the garden while your house is on fire.

My view also.

In order for a football club to compete on the pitch, it first has to exist. Existence being a prerequisite for most things.

Hence, I currently couldn't give a toss whether we're managed by Steve Bruce, Bruce Banner, or the exhumed corpse of Sir Bruce Forsyth.

*In fact, every time I visit this site, I scratch my head in wonderment at the fact that this topic is attracting more comments than any other.

Bruce Banner would be great. Until he got annoyed I guess.

[Lastfootstamper]

We'd never see him, he'd be constantly angry.

[Risso]

The financial situation isn’t going to be helped by having to pay Fistface £3m a year, for every year he’s here. That’s this year, next year, the year after that until he resigns. Better to rip the plaster off now and get rid, and get someone cheaper in.

[ozzjim]

Or serve him 12 months notice now to avoid the pay off next year?

[Clampy]

I'm  kind of intrigued to see how the season pans out. It's going to be interesting whatever happens.

[Toronto Villa]

Agree with that. While the manager situation in the grand scheme of things is low concern from one perspective (mainly that word stability again) it shouldn’t stop us from wanting to address what went fundamentally wrong on the pitch. Where had he done his job the financial issues would not be any kind of concern. His failure has left us exposed, something we all knew was going to be bad just not this bad.

I imagine his position will be fully scrutinized once he returns from holiday. I’ll be happy if he’s gone, will accept it based on “other priorities” if he keeps his job.

[DB]

To be fair Clampy having a different opinion is fine when it makes some sense and I think everyone accepts that.  When someone appears to just be bloody minded in the face of all logic and reason it comes across as a wind up.

That's all well and good, but I got got called a troll by the same person so he does have previous. I'm not sure i agree with everything Mr Baltimore says mind.

How badly would he have to fail for you to agree that he needs to eff off, if having the most expensive squad in the history of the division and not getting promoted twice won't do it?

But you're just wanting people to agree with you and it doesn't work like that. After the final, I walked out and thought 'that's it, he's had long enough'. It was only after the financial storm went down that I thought having a manager without us adding to our problems by searching for one made sense, well to me anyway.

Agree with that. There will be a few players wanting to move if the manager is shipped out too. Who wants to be at a club with so much uncertainty.

I'm well used to people not agreeing with me, I'm a socialist. Bruce has failed when we had everything going for us. Now that we're fucked, it's somehow a good idea to keep him?

It's something akin to a junky who's had a gangrenous leg amputated thinking that he should keep the same company that he did previously because they've got experience of amputee mates, so they know the score in a crisis.

You have changed my mind, you are right. I wasn’t a socialist but I am now. Bruce out etc. Up the revolution

[SoccerHQ]

If he was leaving it would've happened straight after the play off final surely? It's been 29 days now since that fatal defeat so don't really understand why we'd do it now when players come back for pre season in a weeks time.

I guess he could suddenly resign like he did at Hull but that would only happen if the financial goalposts were moved which could well happen with all the uncertainty.

[Sexual Ealing]

To be fair Clampy having a different opinion is fine when it makes some sense and I think everyone accepts that.  When someone appears to just be bloody minded in the face of all logic and reason it comes across as a wind up.

That's all well and good, but I got got called a troll by the same person so he does have previous. I'm not sure i agree with everything Mr Baltimore says mind.

How badly would he have to fail for you to agree that he needs to eff off, if having the most expensive squad in the history of the division and not getting promoted twice won't do it?

But you're just wanting people to agree with you and it doesn't work like that. After the final, I walked out and thought 'that's it, he's had long enough'. It was only after the financial storm went down that I thought having a manager without us adding to our problems by searching for one made sense, well to me anyway.

Agree with that. There will be a few players wanting to move if the manager is shipped out too. Who wants to be at a club with so much uncertainty.

I'm well used to people not agreeing with me, I'm a socialist. Bruce has failed when we had everything going for us. Now that we're fucked, it's somehow a good idea to keep him?

It's something akin to a junky who's had a gangrenous leg amputated thinking that he should keep the same company that he did previously because they've got experience of amputee mates, so they know the score in a crisis.

You have changed my mind, you are right. I wasn’t a socialist but I am now. Bruce out etc. Up the revolution

It was a reference the Clampy's point that you quoted. But you knew that.