Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[ozzjim]

They may well want to, but I would keep them in the short term. Bruce will be in another job in 6 months and take them anyway.

[old man villa fan]

If Bruce were to go, it would almost certainly mean Clemence, Calderwood and Agnew following.

That compensation package could probably be as much as £5 million.

It's difficult to envisage that happen in the current state of affairs.

catch 22 having to keep people on massive money because we can’t afford to let them go

what a shambles

I have said it before, we cannot afford not to change the manager if we want to progress.

There is no need to change all of the support coaches. If they want to go, fair enough.

A new manager would probably want to bring in his own backroom staff anyway.

At the top level I can understand that but not at Championship level. There would be a need if there is a language barrier issue or a glaring area of non-performance.

We need a manager that is more of a training ground manager that can work within the existing set up.

[Risso]

Why can't the useless fucker just do the decent thing and resign, like he did at Hull?

[SoccerHQ]

We are certainly overstocked with coaching staff.

Agnew seemed to make a difference when he came in mid season so would keep him on. Given he managed Boro for 10 games in premier league he'd probably be given a chance as caretaker manager as/when SB leaves.

Struggling really to see what Calderwood and Clemence bring to the party however. Can see one of them leaving before start of next season.

[mr underhill]

he needs to be gone due to the truly ridiculous salary - when's the board meet due to kick-off?

[paul_e]

We are certainly overstocked with coaching staff.

Agnew seemed to make a difference when he came in mid season so would keep him on. Given he managed Boro for 10 games in premier league he'd probably be given a chance as caretaker manager as/when SB leaves.

Struggling really to see what Calderwood and Clemence bring to the party however. Can see one of them leaving before start of next season.

I disagree, I think a first team with a manager, an assistant, 2 general coaches, a keeper coach and a fitness coach is about right.  The issue for me is that they all have to add value, and I'm not sure ours do.  You need enough pairs of eyes and ears to pick up all the little flaws in technique and any personality issues as well as defining training, setting up tactics and keeping an eye on the U23s.

[ChicagoLion]

We are certainly overstocked with coaching staff.

Agnew seemed to make a difference when he came in mid season so would keep him on. Given he managed Boro for 10 games in premier league he'd probably be given a chance as caretaker manager as/when SB leaves.

Struggling really to see what Calderwood and Clemence bring to the party however. Can see one of them leaving before start of next season.

I disagree, I think a first team with a manager, an assistant, 2 general coaches, a keeper coach and a fitness coach is about right.  The issue for me is that they all have to add value, and I'm not sure ours do.  You need enough pairs of eyes and ears to pick up all the little flaws in technique and any personality issues as well as defining training, setting up tactics and keeping an eye on the U23s.

and working out that sitting deep and waiting for the opposition to score and that the goalkeeper hoofing towards Snodgrass head maybe Will not win promotion.

[paul_e]

We are certainly overstocked with coaching staff.

Agnew seemed to make a difference when he came in mid season so would keep him on. Given he managed Boro for 10 games in premier league he'd probably be given a chance as caretaker manager as/when SB leaves.

Struggling really to see what Calderwood and Clemence bring to the party however. Can see one of them leaving before start of next season.

I disagree, I think a first team with a manager, an assistant, 2 general coaches, a keeper coach and a fitness coach is about right.  The issue for me is that they all have to add value, and I'm not sure ours do.  You need enough pairs of eyes and ears to pick up all the little flaws in technique and any personality issues as well as defining training, setting up tactics and keeping an eye on the U23s.

and working out that sitting deep and waiting for the opposition to score and that the goalkeeper hoofing towards Snodgrass head maybe Will not win promotion.

Covered under 'setting up tactics' (smiley thingy).

[Ads]

I think our best chance next season rests with him. The more I think about it, the worse an idea it sounds getting rid of him.

[dutchvilla]

Getting rid of him now without an idea of a replacement and an overall strategy for how to rebuild the club certainly does not make sense. So we end up keeping him in the absence of any such strategy, seemingly?

[paul_e]

Getting rid of him now without an idea of a replacement and an overall strategy for how to rebuild the club certainly does not make sense. So we end up keeping him in the absence of any such strategy, seemingly?

To be honest one of the reasons I want him gone is because I think sticking with him is a sign that we have no alternative strategy of how to move forward. If we sack him it might mean they've realised how big a change we need to make (alternatively it might be a coin flip) and that possibility is a hope I want to cling to. I might not have been clear about it but my biggest problem with Bruce was always that he was too much like mon for my liking and we were just repeating the same actions that fucked us up under Lerner.  I didn't expect it to come to a point quite so quickly or so dramatically but we need to get away from making multi-million pound decisions with the next 6-12 months in mind, it's just terrible practice.

[Monty]

I don't disagree Paul, but it's a bit circular to suggest that we should get rid of him because it would indicate a plan to replace him, no? I want a change in footballing direction as much as anybody, but if you add 'managerless' to the list of problems currently facing the club it wouldn't be an improvement.

[DB]

I think our best chance next season rests with him. The more I think about it, the worse an idea it sounds getting rid of him.

Agreed. Who would come with a remit to sell the best players and get the best out of someone else’s squad. If it turns out that is what we need to do.

[Risso]

I think our best chance next season rests with him. The more I think about it, the worse an idea it sounds getting rid of him.

Agreed. Who would come with a remit to sell the best players and get the best out of someone else’s squad. If it turns out that is what we need to do.

Lots of people. And for a lot less than Bruce is on.

[paul_e]

I don't disagree Paul, but it's a bit circular to suggest that we should get rid of him because it would indicate a plan to replace him, no? I want a change in footballing direction as much as anybody, but if you add 'managerless' to the list of problems currently facing the club it wouldn't be an improvement.

no, but if we stick with him on the back of 2 years of failure (in regards to the only goal he had) and the crippling effect of his expected short-termism it's either an acceptance that we're fucked regardless or laziness. I can grudgingly accept the former but the latter has been the driving force behind our decisions far too often for me to ignore it.  If the management weren't lazy the plan for next season would've been in place long before the final and would've included very clear steps in what we do next, instead it looks like they just didn't bother and now we're making everything up off the cuff and it looks like we may well keep Bruce because it's less work than looking into the options to replace him and sadly loads of fans seem to think that's a good thing.