Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[mr underhill]

too negative. Every season there is a club that takes the division by surprise without showering the transfer market with money. There is no reason that can't be us.

[footyskillz]

I like Bruce, but we need a progressive manager. Dean Smith? Rowett would have been my choice. Mcinness from Aberdeen? Not another dinosaur please.

Agree about progressive. If its not Dean Smith or a villa connected manager then has to be a non UK manager. The way jokanovic or nuno espirito Santo have coached their teams and had strong football principles is what villa should implement.

With due respect wyness seems a bit old school unlike Xia who like to think he needs good advisers around him when it comes to a broader football know how.

Bruce made sense and certainly not a completely failure but he both failed in points total and now in play off final

Not only this the football is not for this club.

I'd be weary if we took ranieri but there will be some non UK coaches out there who can come in and develop a real footballing way.

I don't want any up and coming UK managers or so called rated coaches and I don't want any merry go round.

I want an foreign manager fresh ideas some one who has football values and beliefs.

Look at wagner at Huddersfield. Previously I use to tout japp Stam.

However a manager needs to be a right fit as frank de boer Palace proved disastrous but that's a lot to do with players not understanding the his methods. And then Hodgson from jurassic Park could.

Bilic at West ham folded moysey produced some good old fashioned stuff but a mixture but saw them stay up

It could be an issue with this club with the players. But the new manager could work with the young ones and get new loans Bruce has Elmo and snoddy for example who are his players.

quique sanchez flores a name heard of would be an example I think the ex Brighton manager another Oscar garcia.

A strong personality, and I don't mean Di canio type, to come in and say this is my philosophy this is how will play I can develop youngsters and bring players in loan or otherwise.

I really think Xia should look at that method and choose wisely.

The English game isn't just for British managers and quite frankly the better ones are not from here.
If a club and squad can embrace the change then can be in for a positive progressive season and future.

[Ad@m]

too negative. Every season there is a club that takes the division by surprise without showering the transfer market with money. There is no reason that can't be us.

You're right, but we've just had two seasons where due to the parachute payments the odds were massively stacked in our favour and we didn't manage to go up.

Now we've got a 1 in 24 chance of going up and you've only got to look at Leeds, Forest, Wednesday, etc to see how easy it is to get out of this division when you're established.

[footyskillz]

Onomah and Bjarnason would be in the same team if a non UK coach was in charge. Both like to play football technically skillful and would have team moving forward.

Always seemed one or the other or both if the match was needed saving. Grealish and Onomah young players who could play together but Bruce wouldn't have it.

Bree should have been in not Elmo or Hutton

Bjarnason, Onomah  players who really should have been trusted a lot more.

[IFWaters]

Southgate in July?

He's good with the youth.

[myf]

too negative. Every season there is a club that takes the division by surprise without showering the transfer market with money. There is no reason that can't be us.

You're right, but we've just had two seasons where due to the parachute payments the odds were massively stacked in our favour and we didn't manage to go up.

Now we've got a 1 in 24 chance of going up and you've only got to look at Leeds, Forest, Wednesday, etc to see how easy it is to get out of this division when you're established.

Plus haven't we got to raise 30m to balance the books to meet FFP regs?

[olaftab]

Forget balancing the books for FFP. Do what we need to do and  take the fine if it comes.

[footyskillz]

Southgate in July?

He's good with the youth.

Southgate is doing things right way and seemingly willing to learn and improve.
The nature of English game and understanding the players today has moved on and he better than Hodgson.

Granted he wasn't overly successful as a club man but I like he's dignified and respectful and will probably surprise a few people.

His methods are modern and those friendlies are encouraging v Brazil and Germany.
Good luck to him. A cultured player and better at communicating ideas than these Roy Keane Pearce or Ince types who aren't about finesse and clearly couldn't translate their passion and talents as coaches.

A savvy manager is needed and maybe it's not a manager that would be in role for 10 years or even 5 but ideally the next one should be someone who builds club.

I really see it as a cross roads now. Had we lost 4 - 0 and played off the field both halves in the final Bruce would go but as it was close scoreline and competitive 2nd half with villa on top the hope gives him more time.

I not alone in saying let's see first 10 games next season as this  is pointless if change is happening then it needs to happen so the right players come in.

Seems pretty set in its ways and the contingency plans I guess have Bruce in place. Trading of the name will have some advantages both as club and manager but I can't help feeling there is another way to do things.

[London Villan]

Is he going to change his style now though? I doubt it. Games where we have taken it to the opposition, wolves, blues, bristol show how we can play, but rarely do.

[footyskillz]

too negative. Every season there is a club that takes the division by surprise without showering the transfer market with money. There is no reason that can't be us.

You're right, but we've just had two seasons where due to the parachute payments the odds were massively stacked in our favour and we didn't manage to go up.

Now we've got a 1 in 24 chance of going up and you've only got to look at Leeds, Forest, Wednesday, etc to see how easy it is to get out of this division when you're established.

I think Derby are the example not these others as they continually have a squad which is better than most and up there yet aren't mentioned as much as these clubs. Though these 3 are big clubs.

The Leeds issue has been ownership unfortunately for them. Forest to an extent too. I believe both fell another division at some point before arriving back here in championship.

Derby since relegated have taken cast offs and players always threatening to be promoted in these last few seasons or at least talked of by many.
Took a few years for them to stabilise but they be shown how difficult it is despite the top 10 finishes every year since rebranded as championship.

Norwich are another team to compare . They took the foreign option and are one of the better clubs in this division. They have premier league heritage more recently than these Leeds and forest and Wednesdays.

Stoke WBA and Swansea will be interesting what they bring to party.

[mr-villa]

Surely the Dr, Wyness and Round have 2 envelopes in a safe at VP, one marked "Promotion" the other marked "No Promotion".  Inside each of those I would hope is a fully costed and formulated set of plans ready for implementation including new managerial targets in order of preference.  If not then what the heck have that triumvirate been doing over the last 9 months.  Those plans should have been finalised before the end of the season.  I'm happy for them to enjoy the rest of the Bank Holiday weekened then quite simply lets get the "No Promotion" envelope opened first thing on Tuesday morning and get cracking on implementing the plan.

I assume step 1 will involve replacing the manager. Whilst Steve has delivered stability and turned around what was a basket case of a club he wouldn't be my choice going forward.  History says in order to achieve success you have to be positive, take the initiative, impose yourself on the opposition and critically play in a way that demonstrates you want to score the first goal in every game you play.  Steve just does not do this.  Fundamentally he is reactive not proactive and that is why for me he needs to be replaced.  We need names on that list who will send our team out with the intent to dominate the game from the off and score the first goal.  If you score the first goal you will win most of the matches you compete in, it's not rocket science.  Let's go forward together not stagnate and tread water. 

Thanks Steve for what you have done but its time to enjoy your Grandkids and retirement.

[Steve67]

Xia needs to make a quick statement of intent. We are going to review what we have and either stick or twist, supporting the Manager financially etc.  After yesterday, simply being Aston Villa may not be quite enough to attract fans and players to the club.  For me personally, I'd like Xia to go out and breathe freshness into the club and give us something to look forward to rather than the very lovely but rather dull and negative Steve Bruce. Protecting his investment is as important to him as is for us in terms of optimism.

[footyskillz]

Xia needs to make a quick statement of intent. We are going to review what we have and either stick or twist, supporting the Manager financially etc.  After yesterday, simply being Aston Villa may not be quite enough to attract fans and players to the club.  For me personally, I'd like Xia to go out and breathe freshness into the club and give us something to look forward to rather than the very lovely but rather dull and negative Steve Bruce. Protecting his investment is as important to him as is for us in terms of optimism.

I trust Xia I don't trust this wyness character. Doesn't seem progressive to me. Talking of RVP in transfer windows?!! .

Leave that to West ham as a cheap tactic. talk of players to rouse some interest .

I worry wyness influence on Xia who wants someone who knows the English ways.
Looks and acts old school and gives alot of fluff.

If Villa engine in place we could replace manager no problem as their is underlying footy philosophy.

Seems a bit dream scape to me.
Mainly based on the entirely English set up on experience and the look of squad which was made for short term and bought up best players around rather than buying players that fit a model.

Steve Bruce has had free reign and feel like xia being taken for a ride here in jobs for boys front.

A respected name in football and management but need more than that.

It's like when that other lot took on Harry redknapp clearly advised wrongly and I feel someone's doing that to Xia.

[OzVilla]

I honestly haven't made my mind up yet.  I think a lot depends on the financial situation, who we'll be keeping and also what Bruce and the coaching team are thinking in the post season review. If I were the Dr i'd be having a good think about that this week and taking sound advice re the future.  We are all fed up and understandably so, but i'm just not as convinced that binning Bruce is the best move, many have wanted him gone for a good year now so they'll clearly have their minds made up.  Just not sure that's the right move for us. 

[Bad English]

'e's gorra go Tone.