Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[The Edge]

I think if we had not gone up then he would have left "by mutual consent", to retain his dignity and it could have been presented as understandable after the turmoil he has had in his family life in recent months. But we will never know...

Are you posting from the future. If so, what are the winning lottery numbers for tonight?

1,2,3,4,5 and 6.

I've just had those numbers tomorrow night! Exactly the same chance as any other random set of numbers don't you know

[cheltenhamlion]

Bruce will go if we don't get promoted. He himself knows that isn't open for debate.

[frank black]

Bruce will go if we don't get promoted. He himself knows that isn't open for debate.

I doubt it.

[cheltenhamlion]

Bruce will go if we don't get promoted. He himself knows that isn't open for debate.

I doubt it.

I can assure you he does.

[frank black]

I can’t imagine the the chairman would want to roll the dice and have to fund another managers plans, new players, assurances etc.....lowest risk option is sticking with Bruce.
Hopefully this debate is not settled.

[cheltenhamlion]

It is and isn't a debate. He knows the expectation. Go up and he stays. Don't go up and he gets his cards.

[not3bad]

Bruce will go if we don't get promoted. He himself knows that isn't open for debate.

I doubt it.

I can assure you he does.

ITK?

[Lastfootstamper]

I can’t imagine the the chairman would want to roll the dice and have to fund another managers plans, new players, assurances etc.....lowest risk option is sticking with Bruce.
Hopefully this debate is not settled.

Don't you mean highest? If he was low risk, we wouldn't all be dragging our arses to Wembley next weekend.

[frank black]

It is and isn't a debate. He knows the expectation. Go up and he stays. Don't go up and he gets his cards.

Not seen this stated anywhere so it is purely hypothetical at this stage( unless you know something from sources). He is aware of the expectations I am sure, but my view is that Tony is not going to go down the Leeds route of hire and fire...as I said let’s hope we don’t find out.. UTV

[PeterWithesShin]

Chelts knows the score.

[stuart445]

4th in the Championship with the cost of our squad is no major achievement at all, it's the bare minimum, and in my opinion even something of a failure.  Top 2 should have been achievable with our resources.  We really weren't in a tailspin when Bruce took over, we were stuttering but reasonably stable.  I don't think there was ever any danger we would do a Sunderland.  I firmly believe that if RDM and Clarke had been given the slack and time that Bruce has been granted they would have achieved at least as much as Bruce and possibly more and sooner.   To say Bruce has done a fantastic job in turning us around is something of an exaggeration in my view, and in any case he took his bloody time.  I know he's had his personal traumas and fair play to him for soldiering on,   but that's a separate issue to the job he's done.   I think it's been sub-standard in both achievement and above all entertainment value.  I have honestly never been so bored watching Villa, not even under TSM, with his keep it tight and nick a goal mentality.  We don't deserve to go up because we only finished 4th, and a laboured 4th at that.   Whether we do go up or not, time to be ruthless.  If we stay down he's failed, full stop, and should go.  If we go up, there is no track record to say that he can achieve anything there, and we should look for someone better.   I don't buy that coming 4th in the Championship with the most expensive squad ever to play there, and a fair way behind a tupenny hapenny Cardiff team who will almost certainly come straight back down, earns you a crack at the premier league.  To keep him would be yet another example of the strange tendency for football to reward mediocrity and even failure.   

Falling out of the Premier League and then continuing to fall (we were in the championship relegation zone when he arrived remember) isn't a tailspin?

If that isn't a tailspin then what is?

[PeterWithesShin]

We were 19th when he arrived, not in the bottom 3.

[Ad@m]

ITK or not, I can't believe anyone genuinely believes Tony will accept two seasons of failure in this division as the biggest club by a mile, with the biggest budget by a mile, and let the guy responsible stay in his job.

There might not be an obvious replacement at this stage but given everything the Doc had said since he arrived it's blindingly obvious to me that Bruce is toast if we don't go up.

The only debate should be whether he stays if we go up.

[cheltenhamlion]

It is and isn't a debate. He knows the expectation. Go up and he stays. Don't go up and he gets his cards.

Not seen this stated anywhere so it is purely hypothetical at this stage( unless you know something from sources). He is aware of the expectations I am sure, but my view is that Tony is not going to go down the Leeds route of hire and fire...as I said let’s hope we don’t find out.. UTV

Doctor Tone isn't going to clonk it out on his Twitter feed now is he. But I do know that he knows (unless anything has drastically changed in the last two weeks). It was agreed at the end of last season.

[Steve67]

Bruce will go if we don't get promoted. He himself knows that isn't open for debate.

I doubt it.

I can assure you he does.

Who do we go for if he does go Chelts?  Who is out there who will do a better job?