Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[passitsideways]

I always go back to who was responsible for the team being as unbalanced as it was to start the season under RDM. We had a bunch of forwards (Ayew, Gestede, Kodjia, McCormack), a patchwork midfield (Westwood, Gardner, Jedinak, Tshibola), one proper winger (Adomah), and Grealish, who was still feeling his way into things. If RDM had the power to stop that from happening yet nevertheless consented to it, I think it's fair enough to have given him the boot. But if he was told to basically just make do with it, that's a different story.

[sickbeggar]

Well yeah its was a bloody terrible team that came down and you're not gonna change that round in 2 months. It would have been interesting if Bruce had took over at the start of that season, and who he would have brought in instead of chester, Kodjia, Adomah, jedinak etc... and how he would have been doing in early October.............

[SoccerHQ]

We were only just above the bottom 3 when RDM was potted.

Think SB's remit last season was just to stop the rot and get us winning some games again, he said as much a few months back.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

He was bought in to get us up - quickly. I'd say he fell at that fence last season but keeping him in charge another season in the Championship who be a complete pisstake

I was hoping he'd get us up last season but I'm not totally surprised he didn't. Only winning 1 game in the first 11 didn't help.

well you have to ask if promotion was realistic last season, and in that case why employ him?

That's what happens when you change manager during the season, the options are so limited. We need to access our manager every end of season and decide do we fully trust them to lead us through all of the following season. We had the chance to take Fulham's Slaviša Jokanović last summer as he was at war with his board. We decided to stick. I imagine Wyness will live or die by that decision. By all accounts he managed to convince Xia he knew best. Time will tell.

[sickbeggar]

We were only just above the bottom 3 when RDM was potted.

Think SB's remit last season was just to stop the rot and get us winning some games again, he said as much a few months back.

It was the start of october. We were 10 points off a play-off place with 34 games to play. Hardly the 11th hour...

[PeterWithesShin]

We won 1 out of 11 division 2 games and had been knocked out the League Cup in the first round by 4th division Luton. The only game we'd won had been against the worst side in the division. And more importantly we were looking worse each game. It's hard to have that as anything but appalling.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

One thing that does amuse me slightly is people who would have accepted a couple of seasons down here re-building under another manager but  who also think that Bruce should have been sacked because he didn't get us up first time.

I wanted us up first season and with the spend made, that shouldn't have been too hard even with the crap start we made. It was about turning draws into wins. Play-offs at the minimum. Like you I can't understand how anybody can think we need more time down here to rebuild. What's important is that when we do rebuild we don't build those foundations on quicksand, the MON years should be the reference on that score.

If and when we go up we should be ready for the next level, not looking to completely rebuild again. Solid foundations. It's why I never wanted Bruce to begin with, why I wanted him replaced last summer and why, should we be promoted, he hasn't built a team or method to survive the first year back in the PL. I'm so tried of us being a team struggling around the bottom of the league, playing poor football when everything else is in place.

It's really getting boring even with great wins against our local rivals neighbours. We're bigger than that. At least in my eyes.

[sickbeggar]

He was bought in to get us up - quickly. I'd say he fell at that fence last season but keeping him in charge another season in the Championship who be a complete pisstake

I was hoping he'd get us up last season but I'm not totally surprised he didn't. Only winning 1 game in the first 11 didn't help.

well you have to ask if promotion was realistic last season, and in that case why employ him?

That's what happens when you change manager during the season, the options are so limited. We need to access our manager every end of season and decide do we fully trust them to lead us through all of the following season. We had the chance to take Fulham's Slaviša Jokanović last summer as he was at war with his board. We decided to stick. I imagine Wyness will live or die by that decision. By all accounts he managed to convince Xia he knew best. Time will tell.

well yeah  i don't think Bruce or RDM would have got us up last season. The team that came down was so bad, was so demoralised and the turnover of players so rapid it was mission impossible to get a winning team in 12 months. Given that, you have to hope the gamble on Bruce actually pays off this season, We've bet the house on it.

[sickbeggar]

We won 1 out of 11 division 2 games and had been knocked out the League Cup in the first round by 4th division Luton. The only game we'd won had been against the worst side in the division. And more importantly we were looking worse each game. It's hard to have that as anything but appalling.

I took the view that it was par for the course. The whole team was suffering from a lack of confidence from the season before and given the stupid time limit to turn things round, RDM was always onto a loser. It took Bruce far longer  than RDM to sort it out

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I always go back to who was responsible for the team being as unbalanced as it was to start the season under RDM. We had a bunch of forwards (Ayew, Gestede, Kodjia, McCormack), a patchwork midfield (Westwood, Gardner, Jedinak, Tshibola), one proper winger (Adomah), and Grealish, who was still feeling his way into things. If RDM had the power to stop that from happening yet nevertheless consented to it, I think it's fair enough to have given him the boot. But if he was told to basically just make do with it, that's a different story.

Very true. I imagine RDM was given instructions to make us entertaining rather than dull so he bought every forward available. I also believe he had his head up his own arse and ignored the input of the more experienced Steve Clarke. What another shit appointment he turned out to be. I imagine he's still on our payroll, the Champions League winning twat.

[PeterWithesShin]

We won 1 out of 11 division 2 games and had been knocked out the League Cup in the first round by 4th division Luton. The only game we'd won had been against the worst side in the division. And more importantly we were looking worse each game. It's hard to have that as anything but appalling.

I took the view that it was par for the course. The whole team was suffering from a lack of confidence from the season before and given the stupid time limit to turn things round, RDM was always onto a loser. It took Bruce far longer  than RDM to sort it out

First 11 league games under Bruce were W6 D3 L2. It was months before we conceded a costly late goal under Bruce whereas it seemed a weekly occurrence with RDM. Maybe we were too broken to go up last season regardless of manager, but it didn't take Bruce long to start fixing what RDM seemed incapable of.

[SoccerHQ]

We were only just above the bottom 3 when RDM was potted.

Think SB's remit last season was just to stop the rot and get us winning some games again, he said as much a few months back.

It was the start of october. We were 10 points off a play-off place with 34 games to play. Hardly the 11th hour...

I honestly think you have to look beyond that and measure the pulse of the club at the time.

We'd had years of losing every week. Coming down many thought it would stop but we started with 1 win in our first 11 which was pretty embarassing given the forward options we had even if some of the draws were yes unlucky.

Sunderland is a great example of a club where a rot dosen't stop if you get relegated so I never thought at any point last season we'd make the top 6 and in any case as a club we weren't ready for many reasons.

This season no excuses and we will make the play offs at least. Failure if we don't go up and as Chelts says SB knows the consequences of that.

[sickbeggar]

We won 1 out of 11 division 2 games and had been knocked out the League Cup in the first round by 4th division Luton. The only game we'd won had been against the worst side in the division. And more importantly we were looking worse each game. It's hard to have that as anything but appalling.

I took the view that it was par for the course. The whole team was suffering from a lack of confidence from the season before and given the stupid time limit to turn things round, RDM was always onto a loser. It took Bruce far longer  than RDM to sort it out

First 11 league games under Bruce were W6 D3 L2. It was months before we conceded a costly late goal under Bruce whereas it seemed a weekly occurrence with RDM. Maybe we were too broken to go up last season regardless of manager, but it didn't take Bruce long to start fixing what RDM seemed incapable of.

well that includes the new manager bounce i think  and we had a 5 match losing streak after that so not that quick turning it around

[SoccerHQ]

I always go back to who was responsible for the team being as unbalanced as it was to start the season under RDM. We had a bunch of forwards (Ayew, Gestede, Kodjia, McCormack), a patchwork midfield (Westwood, Gardner, Jedinak, Tshibola), one proper winger (Adomah), and Grealish, who was still feeling his way into things. If RDM had the power to stop that from happening yet nevertheless consented to it, I think it's fair enough to have given him the boot. But if he was told to basically just make do with it, that's a different story.

Very true. I imagine RDM was given instructions to make us entertaining rather than dull so he bought every forward available. I also believe he had his head up his own arse and ignored the input of the more experienced Steve Clarke. What another shit appointment he turned out to be. I imagine he's still on our payroll, the Champions League winning twat.

Clarke told him to sign Tishbola....

We probably should've appointed Clarke as manager instead. He's doing really well at Kilmarnock.

[PeterWithesShin]

RDM was a new manager as well.