Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[stuart445]

Bruce has put together a team that is competitive in the second division and dare I say probably will turn out to be the best in this division however there is a higher standard awaiting and it remains to be seen whether he can make us competitive  in the First division.

Let's take one step at a time, we are in the championship so let's concern ourselves with getting promoted and if we manage to do that then we can concern ourselves with how we will cope in the premier league.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves and worry about something that hasn't happened yet.

[Lastfootstamper]

Shaw to Morley to Withe was the greatest goal ever scored. Ever.

Sid to Withe to Mortimer to Shaw to Morley to Withe was the greatest goal ever scored. Ever.

A lucky scuff. Not that I’m complaining.

I'm still adamant it never came off his shin, but hey-ho.

It was a good professional finish, the ball took a little bobbly bounce just as it arrived. Watch it back, there's a definite hop. A lesser mortal would've taken an air shot.

[olaftab]

Bruce has put together a team that is competitive in the second division and dare I say probably will turn out to be the best in this division however there is a higher standard awaiting and it remains to be seen whether he can make us competitive  in the First division.

Let's take one step at a time, we are in the championship so let's concern ourselves with getting promoted and if we manage to do that then we can concern ourselves with how we will cope in the premier league.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves and worry about something that hasn't happened yet.

Thank you for posting load of b*******.

[paul_e]

Oh my god!! 13th wasn't great but you need to stop looking at in such a simplistic way, Bruce came in and had to turn around a club that had spent the previous 5 or so years of abject failure. Losing was ingrained into the fabric of the club.

You need to realise the enormity of the job he has had to do.

This patronising bullshit is why it's not worth having a discussion with you.  If we post about playstyle then all that matters is results, if we post about results then it's too simplistic and the job is really difficult.  My post was about addressing the losing mentality as part of a core overhaul of the entire fucking club, I totally understand that it needs to be addressed but I think appointing Bruce is an attempt to take a shortcut back to the premier league so the rebuild can start there.  If that work then great but it means he has to get us promoted or we've wasted 2 seasons.  That's not simplistic but because you're incapable of understanding that I just have a different view of how we should approach recovering you just fall back to posting the same lazy bullshit.

It's interesting isn't it. Two defeats at the start of this season was a supposed disaster of a start but we're in the play offs as we speak. 1 win in the first 11 and in the bottom three under RDM last season and Bruce was expected to get us up.

Who said that?  I said make the playoffs and I stand by that as what his target for last season should have been.  If you disagree please offer something to back it up or shut up with the condescending bullshit like this, you've made 3 or 4 posts like it in the last week or so and smug really doesn't suit you.

[dave.woodhall]

It might be a good idea if we cut down on the insults.

[paul_e]

It might be a good idea if we cut down on the insults.

As I said a few days ago, I don't see the point of me posting on here any more so I'll go back to reading only.

[Clampy]

Bruce has put together a team that is competitive in the second division and dare I say probably will turn out to be the best in this division however there is a higher standard awaiting and it remains to be seen whether he can make us competitive  in the First division.

Let's take one step at a time, we are in the championship so let's concern ourselves with getting promoted and if we manage to do that then we can concern ourselves with how we will cope in the premier league.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves and worry about something that hasn't happened yet.

Thank you for posting load of b*******.

I don't see too much wrong with what Stuart has put. You did say 'remains to be seen' and that's exactly it. Besides, who knows what's going to happen? We might not get up, he might quit if he does get us up? I think we should just concentrate on this season for now.

[stuart445]

Bruce has put together a team that is competitive in the second division and dare I say probably will turn out to be the best in this division however there is a higher standard awaiting and it remains to be seen whether he can make us competitive  in the First division.

Let's take one step at a time, we are in the championship so let's concern ourselves with getting promoted and if we manage to do that then we can concern ourselves with how we will cope in the premier league.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves and worry about something that hasn't happened yet.

Thank you for posting load of b*******.

Keep worrying about our chances in the Premier League then, despite the fact we are not in the premier league, actually scrap that we should all concern ourselves whether we can cope in the champions league as well.

[stuart445]

Oh my god!! 13th wasn't great but you need to stop looking at in such a simplistic way, Bruce came in and had to turn around a club that had spent the previous 5 or so years of abject failure. Losing was ingrained into the fabric of the club.

You need to realise the enormity of the job he has had to do.

This patronising bullshit is why it's not worth having a discussion with you.  If we post about playstyle then all that matters is results, if we post about results then it's too simplistic and the job is really difficult.  My post was about addressing the losing mentality as part of a core overhaul of the entire fucking club, I totally understand that it needs to be addressed but I think appointing Bruce is an attempt to take a shortcut back to the premier league so the rebuild can start there.  If that work then great but it means he has to get us promoted or we've wasted 2 seasons.  That's not simplistic but because you're incapable of understanding that I just have a different view of how we should approach recovering you just fall back to posting the same lazy bullshit.

It's interesting isn't it. Two defeats at the start of this season was a supposed disaster of a start but we're in the play offs as we speak. 1 win in the first 11 and in the bottom three under RDM last season and Bruce was expected to get us up.

Who said that?  I said make the playoffs and I stand by that as what his target for last season should have been.  If you disagree please offer something to back it up or shut up with the condescending bullshit like this, you've made 3 or 4 posts like it in the last week or so and smug really doesn't suit you.

It is simplistic as you seem to be annoyed about the fact Bruce didn't get us promoted last season ignoring everything that had happened with the club prior to his appointment.

2011 to 2016 of nothing but failure every year, then 11 games with 1 win prior to him getting the job. Again you are being too simplistic you need to realise this was probably one of the hardest jobs Bruce has had as a manager. Other clubs have taken multiple years to turn around a free fall (Wolves went down twice for example) Bruce has managed to stop the free fall in 1 season.

[paul_e]

How is thinking that applying a solution that covers the entire club and addresses the wasteful short term approach which led to our relegation a simplistic view?

How is "spend money, get experienced players and hope they work things out between them" not simplistic?

Do you know what simplistic means?

[stuart445]

How is thinking that applying a solution that covers the entire club and addresses the wasteful short term approach which led to our relegation a simplistic view?

How is "spend money, get experienced players and hope they work things out between them" not simplistic?

Do you know what simplistic means?

You expected Bruce to get us promoted last season didn't you. That is simplistic you thought Bruce = instant turn around and promotion at 1st attempt when if you applied some realism that was highly unlikely.

[XXVilla]

Anyone else finding this boring?

[paul_e]

How is thinking that applying a solution that covers the entire club and addresses the wasteful short term approach which led to our relegation a simplistic view?

How is "spend money, get experienced players and hope they work things out between them" not simplistic?

Do you know what simplistic means?

You expected Bruce to get us promoted last season didn't you. That is simplistic you thought Bruce = instant turn around and promotion at 1st attempt when if you applied some realism that was highly unlikely.

No I didn't and I've said as much repeatedly if you bothered to actually read anything, which is exactly why the whole discussion is so repetitive and dull.  I said that I expected him to have a good go at getting us into the playoffs because, I believe, you wouldn't sack a manager after 11 games in charge and replace him with a 'promotion expert' if you didn't expect that new manager to give you a chance at promotion. If the realistic view was that 13th was going to be a good finish why is it that none of you who are now saying that posted anything of the sort when he arrived? Could it be that you are now saying something with the benefit of hindsight that supports your view but that you didn't actually believe at the time?

Anyone else finding this boring?

Incredibly.

[WarszaVillan]

and yet...

[Tom_Mc9?]

Anyone else finding this boring?

Well there are two opposing schools of thought:

a/. Bruce is doing a good job. We are winning more than last season, the team is more organised and it looks likely that we will at least finish in the playoffs offering the chance we need to go up. Our injury list is bad, yet we are coping well and seem to be grinding out results.

b/. We are the biggest club in the division. Bruce is lucky to have the job and is an uninspiring choice. The results may be coming but it's not the right style of football of our standing. Look at Wolves and Huddersfield - they've thought outside the box and got results that are more impressive.

It's unlikely that people who vociferously believe a/.will persuade those who are strong believers of b/. to think otherwise. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

I might start insulting people to make my point seem more plausible and agreeable.