Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[Toronto Villa]

We’ve been massively unfortunate. We’ve barely seen Jedinak this season yet somehow in between his injuries he found time to bag a hat trick to send his country to the WC. Kodjia has barely played goes off to play for his country and is now out for the season. We had Grealish’s bizarre injury at the start, Andre Green just as he was settling in, and of course Terry. And then we send that other tosser with a brain injury to Australia and he’s banging them in when we need an in form striker here.

It ain’t fair I tells ya.

[paul_e]

Dropping points right now?

doesn't dropping imply teams around us are not going to, and in the same argument about Barcelona and Citeh I don't see them in our division of course excluding the mighty Wolves etal barca citeh.

of course they are, currently they're dropping points at about the same rate as we are, which is why we're not really closing the gap on them.  The problem is cardiff have a 5 point buffer over us, if they lose 2 games in a row we need to win both to get ahead of them, if we lose 2 games in a row any points they pick up widens the gap and they're averaging over 2 points a game right now so it's a reasonable bet that 2 defeats (or 2 draws even) would see us 7-8 points behind again.

Brighton certainly weren't Barce/Man C standard last season either but they got 93 points and that's what we should be aiming to replicate if we want to get top 2 and getting there means avoiding winless runs and not even long ones, 3-4 games without a win can take months to recover from at the top of this league.  We've already gone 3 without a win twice (in the first 7 games) and it's had us playing catchup all season.

The 5 point buffer Cardiff have was 10 points 14 games ago. So we're closing in. I I know you think you're the only one who can do maths, but in reality we all know what happens if one team wins and another loses. So give the patronising stuff a rest.

See a key point with maths, if you want anyone to take you seriously, is to be consistent.  I've consistently used 7 points off the top 2 after 5 games because it was the state of the table at the end of August.  It makes for a nice simple cut off point, especially when you consider the transfer window  the only time I shifted from it was when you and ads started ignoring the first 2 games of the season in your stats.  You on the other hand have argued using all sorts of numbers of games just in the last few hours, cutting things where you like to support your point.

The patronising argument is really wearing thin now, I outright admitted to doing it on purpose so I'm not sure what you think you gain by making the same accusation over and over again.

Final quick point, the bold bit is comedy gold coming from someone who thinks 34 points in 17 games is a rate of 2.137.  Just to be clear I don't think I'm the olny who can do maths, I know plenty of people on here who can, but you're sadly not one of them it appears.

[Ads]

We're one of the best sides in the league and we are the third of the way in.

We have better quality players than most and more of them. Time will as ever judge.

[PaulWinch again]

We're one of the best sides in the league and we are the third of the way in.

We have better quality players than most and more of them. Time will as ever judge.

The 'more' part of that statement is rapidly diminishing.

[stuart445]

Admoah is and always has been much better than Clarke.

I don't know much [anything] about Clarke, but the impression I get from a quick scan of the net is that all of the fans of the other clubs he's played for can't believe how a shit player like him has hit such a rich vein of form.  I can only imagine it's similar to how we'd feel if say, Tonev was suddenly top scorer in the Championship.

It's not that hard to believe, it's not an irregular thing to happen, for example look at Hogan he's crap but went through a spell where he scored loads of goals.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Admoah is and always has been much better than Clarke.

I don't know much [anything] about Clarke, but the impression I get from a quick scan of the net is that all of the fans of the other clubs he's played for can't believe how a shit player like him has hit such a rich vein of form.  I can only imagine it's similar to how we'd feel if say, Tonev was suddenly top scorer in the Championship.

It's not that hard to believe, it's not an irregular thing to happen, for example look at Hogan he's crap but went through a spell where he scored loads of goals.

And will again. Hopefully with us, this season.

[Clampy]

I don't think we can afford too many more lengthy injuries though. It'll take it's toll eventually.

As for the season thus far, I don't think the two defeats at the start will dictate how the season will pan out, not in a league with this many matches.

Of course it will, those 2 games are pivotal. It doesn't matter that they were almost 4 months ago and that we are the second best team on form since then, they are dictating this season, as last season's poor patches were too.

When we lost the Reading game, I got all tearful and hoped to god that it wouldn't effect our whole season. I didn't sleep well that night. Then next morning, I remembered it was only August and cheered up again.

[Villa75]

What's the relevance of "17 games"?

[paul_e]

What's the relevance of "17 games"?

Basically if you ignore the first 2 games we'd be top 2 (on goal difference), but considering one of those was an absolute dicking by the team that's currently 2nd I think it's a pretty weak argument.

[ChicagoLion]

We have better quality players than most and more of them.

That what I have been trying to say.

[Villa75]

What's the relevance of "17 games"?

Basically if you ignore the first 2 games we'd be top 2 (on goal difference), but considering one of those was an absolute dicking by the team that's currently 2nd I think it's a pretty weak argument.

I'm in danger of looking an idiot here, but don't we need to 'ignore' the first three games, if we want to skew the figures in our favour?

Our first three were D L L.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Have we sacked him yet?

Patience. Come back in 6 months time.

[ChicagoLion]

Have we sacked him yet?

Patience. Come back in 6 months time.

The statue should be erected by then.

[Drummond]

Dropping points right now?

doesn't dropping imply teams around us are not going to, and in the same argument about Barcelona and Citeh I don't see them in our division of course excluding the mighty Wolves etal barca citeh.

of course they are, currently they're dropping points at about the same rate as we are, which is why we're not really closing the gap on them.  The problem is cardiff have a 5 point buffer over us, if they lose 2 games in a row we need to win both to get ahead of them, if we lose 2 games in a row any points they pick up widens the gap and they're averaging over 2 points a game right now so it's a reasonable bet that 2 defeats (or 2 draws even) would see us 7-8 points behind again.

Brighton certainly weren't Barce/Man C standard last season either but they got 93 points and that's what we should be aiming to replicate if we want to get top 2 and getting there means avoiding winless runs and not even long ones, 3-4 games without a win can take months to recover from at the top of this league.  We've already gone 3 without a win twice (in the first 7 games) and it's had us playing catchup all season.

The 5 point buffer Cardiff have was 10 points 14 games ago. So we're closing in. I I know you think you're the only one who can do maths, but in reality we all know what happens if one team wins and another loses. So give the patronising stuff a rest.

See a key point with maths, if you want anyone to take you seriously, is to be consistent.  I've consistently used 7 points off the top 2 after 5 games because it was the state of the table at the end of August.  It makes for a nice simple cut off point, especially when you consider the transfer window  the only time I shifted from it was when you and ads started ignoring the first 2 games of the season in your stats.  You on the other hand have argued using all sorts of numbers of games just in the last few hours, cutting things where you like to support your point.

The patronising argument is really wearing thin now, I outright admitted to doing it on purpose so I'm not sure what you think you gain by making the same accusation over and over again.

Final quick point, the bold bit is comedy gold coming from someone who thinks 34 points in 17 games is a rate of 2.137.  Just to be clear I don't think I'm the olny who can do maths, I know plenty of people on here who can, but you're sadly not one of them it appears.

Seems I did a poor calculation or mistype there, you got me.

I don't gain anything by repeating an accusation it seems, because you just don't listen and keep doing it. Much like your arguments.

I'm using stats that show from a variety of perspectives that you're talking shite. You in the other hand keep banging on about August as if it's the perfect piece if evidence to suit your argument.

You could argue that we're the best team ever when we've won or the worst when we've lost. I'm trying to show that over the last 17 games we're the 2nd best in the division and therefore on form. If you say this season, we're the 4th best but I'm trying to evidence that we're getting g better and are in improving form that beats anyone else bar Wolves in the division. You're ignoring it because by focusing in August you prove yourself right. If we're Top two by goal difference at the end of the season, will you still use August as your reference pont?

[Toronto Villa]

I would position it this way. We very much underachieved for the early part of the season given our resources, squad depth and manager who has a lot of experience and success at this level. But since he steadied the ship we’ve done exactly as we should have done. Hypothetically had we started the season at an above average pace we’d probably be very close to top right now. We didn’t and there’s nothing that can be done about that. What’s evident recently is that Bruce has come across a system/formula/Strategy, whatever you want to call it, through his ability or luck (probably both) that seems to work. And if we keep going along this path given all of the assets we have at the club we should be promoted come May.