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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16320 on: July 25, 2018, 10:49:21 AM »
Saw this good article from the Guardian last night - it is from Sunday.  It's a bit odd because the headline is we should stick with him, but then goes on to evaluate the job he has truly done and doesn;t cover him in glory!  It's the first reall press aerticle I've seen that actually assesses that he should have done better......

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/22/aston-villa-new-regime-steve-bruce-uncertainty


"Aston Villa should stick with steady Steve Bruce after recent turmoil


 
Bruce ultimately failed to deliver promotion last season but may be best placed to keep the team on track, even with new investors and financial worries eased



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For every participant, the Championship play-off final always has plenty riding on it. This year’s edition was no different, but it was not until after Fulham’s 1-0 victory that it really emerged just how much of a death-or-glory game it had been for Aston Villa.

In most cases a bid for promotion can empty even the most bulging of owners’ wallets. For Villa, it resulted in them having to mortgage the car park to pay a tax bill.

The extent of Villa’s financial problems was shocking, but at the same time not that surprising. They had, after all, spent freely after relegation from the Premier League in 2016. Fuelled by desperation to return to the top flight and new owner Tony Xia’s bullish suggestion that not just one, but maybe even two or more Champions League titles could eventually be won, something like £72m was spent on transfer fees in that first season in the Championship, topped up by a series of high-profile free and loan signings on significant wages in the second.
 
Villa rolled the dice and prayed, but when they opened their eyes they found that not only had they failed to get double sixes, the dice had bounced off the table and their wallet was empty.

Things came to a head when the club missed a deadline for a tax bill in May and another one is coming up at the end of July. Borrowing money against land near Villa Park, currently used as a car park, looked like a desperate move, but desperate was how things were looking until the end of last week.

On Friday, it was announced that a company co-owned by the Egyptian billionaire Nassef Sawiris and American financier Wes Edens (who co-owns the Milwaukee Bucks NBA team) had purchased a majority stake in the club. Xia will remain as co-chairman, but there was a pointed element to the section of Edens and Sawiris’s statement upon announcing the deal, when they said they “look forward to working with Dr Tony to undertake a thorough assessment and evaluation of the club in the coming weeks”.

This obviously comes as a relief, but amid all everything, Villa still have to play some football soon, starting on 6 August. Will they be able to vaguely compete? Plenty hinges on whether they will keep hold of their best players, with Jack Grealish and James Chester the two most obvious targets for other clubs. Before the investment, the departure of both seemed inevitable. Now, it’s less so but still possible: Villa still have to cut their cloth, even if the money will now go to balancing the books or even recruiting new players, rather than paying a tax bill.

Whatever their squad looks like, a steady leader is required, and you might think they couldn’t have a better man than Steve Bruce. But among the chaos of the summer, something that isn’t being discussed quite as much is what sort of job he has actually done over the last couple of years.

Bruce arrived at Villa Park on 12 October 2016, a week after Neil Warnock was appointed as Cardiff manager. Villa were not in a good way, 19th in the table following Roberto Di Matteo’s brief spell in charge, but they were better off than Cardiff, who were 23rd. Spin forward 18 months, and with a fraction of the resources Cardiff won automatic promotion while Villa barely showed up at Wembley.

One is always naturally reticent to lay into a man who has endured such a distressing year personally, the death of both parents between February and April putting into stark perspective the struggles of a football team. It was frankly a near miracle that he got to the end of the season, given what he went through, and when you consider that many of his expensive players underperformed last season, there are mitigating factors. But ultimately Bruce could not get perhaps the most expensive and experienced team the Championship has ever seen promoted. By cold, objective standards, he failed.

And yet there seems little point in getting rid of him, firstly because they do not need the extra expense, but who could they guarantee would do a better job? In fact, it might actually be possible that Bruce may do better under more difficult circumstances this season, as counter-intuitive as that sounds.

Previously his best work has generally been done with underdog teams, and listening to him over the last two years it sounds like he’s been trying to do the same at Villa. Unsurprisingly, that did not work too well, but it is much easier to convince the world you are scrappy underdogs when you have had to mortgage the car park. Plus, even by the division’s anarchic standards this season’s Championship looks extremely open: an optimist could just about convince themselves that Villa have a chance of doing OK despite everything.

With all that has happened since that day at Wembley, it is almost easy to forget that Aston Villa’s season starts soon. They should have been celebrating a return to the Premier League, but instead uncertainty, despite the good news of last week, hangs over them. And more than anything else, also a sense that it need not have been like this."

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16321 on: July 25, 2018, 10:49:35 AM »
Well, Tom Ross has now come out and backed his mate Steve Bruce whilst calling NSWE Autograph Hunters.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-owners-autograph-hunters-14949041



all the old boy network on the radio a tv networks have come out in support of there man Bruce,
we know this happens its the same for all the British old school managers that are on the merry go round

Henry is also a face on the media circuit so be interesting to see how they react to him replacing there big mate (if he comes)

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16322 on: July 25, 2018, 11:14:24 AM »
The biggest thing  that’s annoying me about the media and Bruce is the notion that we were ‘one kick away’ from promotion.
The lack of accountability/responsibility from this man and his media pals is infuriating.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16323 on: July 25, 2018, 11:32:03 AM »
The biggest thing  that’s annoying me about the media and Bruce is the notion that we were ‘one kick away’ from promotion.
The lack of accountability/responsibility from this man and his media pals is infuriating.

Me too, it was at least two.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16324 on: July 25, 2018, 11:32:58 AM »
Well, Tom Ross has now come out and backed his mate Steve Bruce whilst calling NSWE Autograph Hunters.

Ron Toss can fuck off the bluenose Tory twat.

Yes, yes.  But apart from all that....

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16325 on: July 25, 2018, 11:33:39 AM »
The biggest thing  that’s annoying me about the media and Bruce is the notion that we were ‘one kick away’ from promotion.
The lack of accountability/responsibility from this man and his media pals is infuriating.

Indeed, that first half was as bad as I’ve seen.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16326 on: July 25, 2018, 11:37:12 AM »
The biggest thing  that’s annoying me about the media and Bruce is the notion that we were ‘one kick away’ from promotion.
The lack of accountability/responsibility from this man and his media pals is infuriating.

Indeed, that first half was as bad as I’ve seen.

The first question he should be asked by thr owners is why his team never turned up in that half?

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16327 on: July 25, 2018, 11:40:38 AM »
Lee Hendrie being all contradictory in The Daily Star.

“I’d love to see Steve continue at the club because I think he deserves that shot. He’s only just missed out in the play-off final.

“He’s come and steadied the ship. The club was in a mess. It would be a crying shame if Steve leaves.

“It would be great to see Thierry come in and do a fantastic job, we all know what a fantastic world-class player he was. But is it a gamble? That’s my big question mark over Henry coming in.”

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16328 on: July 25, 2018, 11:52:06 AM »
Hope your meeting going well Steve (although it may be pm as we understood training was still am), hope you stay. Solid top 6 come xmas or then a change pre Jan window possibly

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16329 on: July 25, 2018, 12:04:55 PM »
You can all stand easy, I'm off down the pub for a couple of hours and nothing ever happens while I'm down there.......apart from the last time when two multi billionaires appeared out of the blue. :D

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16330 on: July 25, 2018, 12:08:04 PM »
You can all stand easy, I'm off down the pub for a couple of hours and nothing ever happens while I'm down there.......apart from the last time when two multi billionaires appeared out of the blue. :D

Did they get a round in?

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16331 on: July 25, 2018, 12:20:45 PM »
I agree with those who say Henry needs to start at the bottom like Fergie did at East Stirlingshire etc. I myself started with the under 11s at Nechells Green Community Centre and it wasn’t till 6 years later  I took charge of the under 15s....well for one match. Happy days.

You cudda bin a contenda, Mr. Aftab, but the fix was in.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16332 on: July 25, 2018, 12:23:14 PM »
Just wondering if we're a bit biased against Henry because of the position he played? As in, it's easier to imagine that a defensive midfielder would be more tactically astute than a flying wing-forward - not to mention the whole 'too much talent to be a good coach' thing that often applies.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16333 on: July 25, 2018, 12:32:02 PM »
Having read about the Tom Ross 'rant' I listened to it and, apart from his ill-advised comment about 'autograph hunters' thought it was all pretty reasoned. Anyone else feel like me that Bruce would be a 'steady pair of hands' (head) but Henry would be an exciting move if risky (heart). Will they go with head or heart? I'm glad I'm not making the decision.

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Re: Bruce out
« Reply #16334 on: July 25, 2018, 12:43:21 PM »
I’m with you Martyn, I’m totally torn. We’ll be steady under Bruce, we’ll be top half and pushing but the football will be functional. But not top two.

Under Henry we could be anywhere between 1st and 15th. He could see him being Keeganesque in his approach.

Stick or twist

 


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