Forest v Villa Post-Match Thread

[Clampy]

3 at the back with wing backs is normally your standard panic mod when the panic button has been hit. I cant imagine he signed any of the new players with the thought of them being at their best in a wing back formation.

He's hit panic.

Standard panic? Did Brian Little panic when he tried it?

20 years ago. I suppose we can still win the league with a squad of 14 too? Times change, the tactic now appears to be the last calling card of the panicky manager trying something/anything to change things.

Comparing winning the title with the proud fact that we only used 14 players to a manager having the audacity to try a different formation? Bit of a woeful argument really.

[David_Nab]

Shit ..

Can't be assed to write more ..Worn down seeing the same old shit every week

[oldham_villa]

For me, Bruce makes the following major mistakes

Allowing the opposition to control the ball - this tires us out and we just chase aimlessly:  Grab the ball, have confidence and control the game. To read that Forest had 79% of play tonight is more than depressing. This has to stop with immediate effect.

Defensive mindset: Nothing comes from being too conservative. We have to be organised and attack en masse, and defend en masse. Not be permanently rooted in our 18 yard box.

Sitting too deep: Related to the above.

Hoofing the ball: Related to the above.

Low Scoring: Related to the above. He has previously played Kodja on his own and we've relied on a bit of inspiration: I appreciate Kodja has had some grief for not passing more tonight, but judging on this season, he's had no other option but to go it alone.

Looking at Villa teams in the past - we need someone with balls to get hold of the ball and to dictate the play. I would assume the likely person for this is Lansbury.

Although i was an advocate of signing Bruce, i'd be amazed if he stays beyond the summer. Hughton would be my choice

[aj2k77]

3 at the back with wing backs is normally your standard panic mod when the panic button has been hit. I cant imagine he signed any of the new players with the thought of them being at their best in a wing back formation.

He's hit panic.

Standard panic? Did Brian Little panic when he tried it?

20 years ago. I suppose we can still win the league with a squad of 14 too? Times change, the tactic now appears to be the last calling card of the panicky manager trying something/anything to change things.

Comparing winning the title with the proud fact that we only used 14 players to a manager having the audacity to try a different formation? Bit of a woeful argument really.

Wake up, it's not the 90's anymore.

[oldham_villa]

3 at the back was BL's way of playing football

[Clampy]

3 at the back with wing backs is normally your standard panic mod when the panic button has been hit. I cant imagine he signed any of the new players with the thought of them being at their best in a wing back formation.

He's hit panic.

Standard panic? Did Brian Little panic when he tried it?

20 years ago. I suppose we can still win the league with a squad of 14 too? Times change, the tactic now appears to be the last calling card of the panicky manager trying something/anything to change things.

Comparing winning the title with the proud fact that we only used 14 players to a manager having the audacity to try a different formation? Bit of a woeful argument really.

Wake up, it's not the 90's anymore.

Explain to me what us winning the title with 14 players has even remotely got to do with a manager in 2017 playing a different formation for a game?

[Loxton01]

Unlike the Brentford game we didn't deserve to lose this game but until the players realise they need to play as a team we will never improve

Observations

Kodija is a casing example. He scores a great goal but yet never holds the ball up and is so selfish and greedy. His work ethic is terrible. That will not win us matches. He has the attributes to be class but until he becomes better mentally he will cost us

We must buy an experienced keeper

Lansbury cannot hold he is a ball player but too often let's his opposition get past him

The team must learn to play with a better tempo but have the ball it will stop us tiring!!

[Loxton01]

Oh yes final observation is jack grealish career will be over very soon if he carries on playing the way he has this season. Once again has attributes but in between the ears he is a complete idiot

[eamonn]

Here lads, when does Lent start? I'm going to give the Villa up for a while, for the first time since an ill-thought spell supporting Leeds for a midweek as a kid (it was '92 and I was being bullied).

The amount of wasted time and energy following this bunch of disorganised, workshy, dumb set of fucks would be better served on a demanding other-half, studying more for me exams, completing courses that will help get a better job, and finish recording songs to nurture the creative side.

We've reached peak self-flagellation. It's time to look after ourselves now.

[CT]

Well, just got back.

I've given up trying to work out what Steve Bruce is doing tactically.

All I know is, we don't press the opposition anymore. We run to about 3 or 4 yards away and then stop. We don't cut out crosses or passes. Forest played around us with ease.

We're playing our box to box midfielder as a holding one. We're playing our left sided midfielder on the right. We have two left backs, neither of who are picked.

As for Jack, I thought he was no influence on the game at all. The sending off was just the icing on a particularly shitty cake.

We knew they'd score at the end. We called it ten minutes before it happened. If only someone could make it stop.

[ROBBO]

Hourihane dominated in his last game for his old club it must be the way Bruce is using him that makes him look poor.
We have one of the most talented squads in this division but Bruce send us out to play deep and counter attack, you can do this when you are gaining points as ugly as it is but not when your losing week after week. I wanted Jack replaced at sixty minutes, he really needs to play his football elsewhere because he is being taught nothing at Villa, he brings nothing to the team.

[goldenjimi]

I think we looked slightly better with todays formation,the front two looked a threat together,with more time they will be an exciting partnership. Jedinak is gonna be key tho,will let Lansbury & Houihane do what they are good at,box to box & creative,I hope he is fit for the weekend.

[Dazvillain]

Hourihane dominated in his last game for his old club it must be the way Bruce is using him that makes him look poor.
We have one of the most talented squads in this division but Bruce send us out to play deep and counter attack, you can do this when you are gaining points as ugly as it is but not when your losing week after week. I wanted Jack replaced at sixty minutes, he really needs to play his football elsewhere because he is being taught nothing at Villa, he brings nothing to the team.

Whilst reading most posts I've been trying to remain a true Villa fan , but one who has a decent neutral football brain without bias.
We got relegated after the writing on the wall over previous few years when there were no worse teams left than us, as the likes of Blackpool, Wigan, Cardiff etc had now all gone.
There are 3 or more worse teams in this division so we won't get relegated.
Bruce has got a more than decent track record at this level, with far less resources in cash/player ability and backroom support.
We've haven't had much managerial continuity for a couple of seasons or more in last few years to build/spend in a team to get as much quality as now.
Kodja is as good as he was at previous club scoring goals, so will continue .
Lots of other signings were best players or even captains at previous clubs, should be many leaders or players taking responsibilities
 Didn't have so many goal keeper issues in the 70/80's and am frustrated as shit.
If I was Dr T (who's quiet tonight on twitter ?) I'd leave Bruce manage what he wanted to buy (assuming he wanted them and not just STEVE Round)? for the rest of season to see where he can get us.
All those in responsible positions from May/JUNE decide to stick or twist and finish / continue with few more players to add


Other than that I'm totally perplexed how the best quality looking team on paper cannot deliver on the pitch

[dave17]

Do we ever press?

Opposition teams seem to have worked it out. Press our midfield and we panic. Elphick is an accident waiting to happen and Chester is looking worse and worse

We'll coach hogan back to mediocrity and I'm sure the new midfield will start floating in corners soon

[edgysatsuma89]

Conte's 3 at the back are shite as well.

It splits opinion but I personally like it however you still need a DM and we didn't have one, it's not Lansbury or Hourihane's game. We also don't have a half-decent 3rd CB (or 2nd depending on opinion!). Personally I'd drop Grealish and put in Jedi when fit, giving the other 2 scope to go forward. I completely agree with dropping Amavi as he has been shite but would definitely give him a go at LWB. Could be changing deck chairs and all that but that's what I'd try.