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Offline TonyD

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #225 on: December 30, 2016, 02:40:17 PM »
Jedinak is a big part of the problem.   Can't pass a decent ball forward.  Ayew is truly all fart and no shit.   Those two I would sell.   But definitely need two midfielders asap.

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #226 on: December 30, 2016, 02:40:51 PM »
Let me start by saying I am no fan of Westwood as a player. For me, a midfield player is either a defensive one that can win the ball in midfield and, break up the opponents play or an offensive midfielder who can thread some useful forward passes to the strikers. Sadly, Westwood does not come into either of those categories. Rarely puts in a tackle of note and usually plays the ball sideways or backwards.

I think, the main problem for us at the moment is that we play as 3 seperate units and, not much link up play with a lot of "hit & miss" passes. However, on a really bright note, I also think SB knows exactly what we require from the transfer window and, once he addresses our midfield issues, we will look like the team we as fans also want to see.

Not all is lost and, I really think that if we do make the play offs, I would fancy our chances against any of the teams we have played in the league so far.

I disagree.
I find Westwood very much an offensive midfield player. It offends me every time I see him in the starting eleven

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #227 on: December 30, 2016, 03:38:05 PM »
I've read reports of the game on two of today's papers. Both mentioned a controversial penalty in their headline. Both articles then went on to say that the handball was obvious, so it seems the controversy was just that the ref didn't give it straight away! Ridiculous headline. If anything was controversial it was the referee's initial decision.

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #228 on: December 30, 2016, 03:49:30 PM »
If you don't want to discuss it, that's up to you. You said he was a failure, I asked you to qualify it. I don't think you have done that still.

The beauty of the forum is the users prerogative to argue about what they disagree with.

I disagree with his lack of flexibility to change; Adomah came on, we became more direct and profited from it.

Do you accept that you're wrong? Cuz if not, then what was the point in even arguing it?!11!!

I'm not wrong, you think relegations don't count as failures if they're with average clubs, I disagree but we're obviously not going to agree so there's no point discussing it.  You see bringing Adomah on when we're a goal behind as being flexible, I see it as either reactionary or part of pre-determined plan to keep thing tight until the last 20 minutes and then go for it.  I see the latter as the approach that Bruce has taken in almost every game regardless of who we're playing or how the game is going and I therefore see it as his main tactic and I'm not even criticising it in most games because it's been effective for where we are.  However I do think that if you're dominating a team and they're making mistakes and gifting you chances then if you stop doing that to slow the game down then it's a tactical error.

The first 5-10 minutes yesterday was the Villa I want to see, trying to play killer passes around the edge of the box, hurrying defenders and midfielders and moving the ball quickly on the floor, Grealish, Bacuna, Ayew and Kodjia were all in their element in that little spell and then they got a little break away and we reverted to defending deep with the midfield sticking deep as well and the huge gap between kodjia and the rest of the team opened up again for an hour.  I've seen various comments on multiple threads about strikers looking good off the bench but rubbish when they start, is that the fault of the players or is it because in the last 20 minutes they have people around them and can do something other than try to create a miracle goal from nothing?

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #229 on: December 30, 2016, 04:15:58 PM »
I think part of the issue is to do with how we started the season and the silly late goals conceded, in order to counter that and rebuild confidence Bruce seems to trying to ensure we finish strongly by having good players on the bench and rotating forwards to keep them fresh. That is why I assume he rested a couple yesterday as it was the second game in a week and we have the Cardiff game to come.

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #230 on: December 30, 2016, 04:20:22 PM »
If you don't want to discuss it, that's up to you. You said he was a failure, I asked you to qualify it. I don't think you have done that still.

The beauty of the forum is the users prerogative to argue about what they disagree with.

I disagree with his lack of flexibility to change; Adomah came on, we became more direct and profited from it.

Do you accept that you're wrong? Cuz if not, then what was the point in even arguing it?!11!!

I'm not wrong, you think relegations don't count as failures if they're with average clubs, I disagree but we're obviously not going to agree so there's no point discussing it.  You see bringing Adomah on when we're a goal behind as being flexible, I see it as either reactionary or part of pre-determined plan to keep thing tight until the last 20 minutes and then go for it.  I see the latter as the approach that Bruce has taken in almost every game regardless of who we're playing or how the game is going and I therefore see it as his main tactic and I'm not even criticising it in most games because it's been effective for where we are.  However I do think that if you're dominating a team and they're making mistakes and gifting you chances then if you stop doing that to slow the game down then it's a tactical error.

The first 5-10 minutes yesterday was the Villa I want to see, trying to play killer passes around the edge of the box, hurrying defenders and midfielders and moving the ball quickly on the floor, Grealish, Bacuna, Ayew and Kodjia were all in their element in that little spell and then they got a little break away and we reverted to defending deep with the midfield sticking deep as well and the huge gap between kodjia and the rest of the team opened up again for an hour.  I've seen various comments on multiple threads about strikers looking good off the bench but rubbish when they start, is that the fault of the players or is it because in the last 20 minutes they have people around them and can do something other than try to create a miracle goal from nothing?

Do you count Sean Dyche as a failure?

As for the first 15-20 minutes of last night's game, we were excellent but no team is going to keep up that kind of tempo for 90 minutes.

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #231 on: December 30, 2016, 04:22:50 PM »
If you don't want to discuss it, that's up to you. You said he was a failure, I asked you to qualify it. I don't think you have done that still.

The beauty of the forum is the users prerogative to argue about what they disagree with.

I disagree with his lack of flexibility to change; Adomah came on, we became more direct and profited from it.

Do you accept that you're wrong? Cuz if not, then what was the point in even arguing it?!11!!

I'm not wrong, you think relegations don't count as failures if they're with average clubs, I disagree but we're obviously not going to agree so there's no point discussing it.  You see bringing Adomah on when we're a goal behind as being flexible, I see it as either reactionary or part of pre-determined plan to keep thing tight until the last 20 minutes and then go for it.  I see the latter as the approach that Bruce has taken in almost every game regardless of who we're playing or how the game is going and I therefore see it as his main tactic and I'm not even criticising it in most games because it's been effective for where we are.  However I do think that if you're dominating a team and they're making mistakes and gifting you chances then if you stop doing that to slow the game down then it's a tactical error.

The first 5-10 minutes yesterday was the Villa I want to see, trying to play killer passes around the edge of the box, hurrying defenders and midfielders and moving the ball quickly on the floor, Grealish, Bacuna, Ayew and Kodjia were all in their element in that little spell and then they got a little break away and we reverted to defending deep with the midfield sticking deep as well and the huge gap between kodjia and the rest of the team opened up again for an hour.  I've seen various comments on multiple threads about strikers looking good off the bench but rubbish when they start, is that the fault of the players or is it because in the last 20 minutes they have people around them and can do something other than try to create a miracle goal from nothing?

Do you count Sean Dyche as a failure?

As for the first 15-20 minutes of last night's game, we were excellent but no team is going to keep up that kind of tempo for 90 minutes.

At premier league level?  Yes, of course he is.


EDIT to answer the 2nd bit.


It's not just the tempo, I agree with you on that bit, my problem is the areas of the pitch that we're playing in.  They did a graphic during the game that after about 12 minutes 40% of the play had been in the leeds final third.  We had complete territorial dominance and we just gave it away.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2016, 04:25:53 PM by paul_e »

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #232 on: December 30, 2016, 04:40:19 PM »
Why is it a failure for a club like Small Heath, Hull or Burnley to be relegated? They're dwarves in comparison to their peers and had no real business being at the top table in the first place.

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #233 on: December 30, 2016, 04:43:03 PM »
Why is it a failure for a club like Small Heath, Hull or Burnley to be relegated? They're dwarves in comparison to their peers and had no real business being at the top table in the first place.

You mean clubs like the current premier league champions?

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #234 on: December 30, 2016, 04:50:11 PM »
Burnley have the won the league more often than we have in the last 100 years.

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #235 on: December 30, 2016, 04:50:37 PM »
Yes, clubs like Leicester. It's what made their achievement all the more remarkable and their inevitable relegation in the next two or three years little more surprising than it ought to have been.

Presumably the sword cuts both ways and Pep or Klopp will be failures should they not win the title or the European Cup in the car of Pep.

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #236 on: December 30, 2016, 04:51:39 PM »
What does Grealish do? Genuine question. What position is he meant to be playing? He creates barely anything and has very little impact on most games. Hugely overrated because he's a Villa fan.

He's about the only player with genuine attacking class at the club.

With one assist all season

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #237 on: December 30, 2016, 05:01:45 PM »
Following the succession of bloody awful managers we have had I can't understand why anyone would want to spend much time moaning about Steve Bruce?

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #238 on: December 30, 2016, 05:08:43 PM »
Following the succession of bloody awful managers we have had I can't understand why anyone would want to spend much time moaning about Steve Bruce?

Probably because it's Steve Bruce and no, neither can I.

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Re: Villa v Leeds Post-Match thread
« Reply #239 on: December 30, 2016, 05:14:02 PM »
I can only echo that. It's been years, half a decade, of relentless shite, the manager is getting three or four managers players to actually play and get an average of 2 points per game. I can't see why he's getting any stick as of yet.

 


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