Aston Villa v Wolves Post-Match Thread

[aj2k77]

Bruce has got one hell of a job on his hands, there is no shape of a team in those 11 to 16 individuals named each week, at times they are total strangers.
The fitness issue will be even a bigger problem, when the matches are coming weekend, mid week, then when there is a break most away on international duty, how can he set time aside for fitness, when I think someone above quite rightly said, the best way out of this now is for him to get them doing the basics, working to a rigid pattern and having to settle for that until a couple of wins (whats one of them) brings self and unit confidence back.
I would also take a very good look at the youth, because surely there is someone within the Villa ranks that are the equal of Jedinak and Elphick.

Lyden deserves a go I think. I'd play him and Tish in midfield to provide the legs, and bring in Gardner, giving him a bit more freedom to get forward, and he may then offer some threat from distance.

Is Lyden actually any good though?

All I saw from him against Bournemouth was him running around and chasing the ball, he got a great reception that day purely as he wasn't Richardson, Bacuna or Guzan all who got roundly booed.

Any youth team watchers out there who think he'll turn out better than Chris Herd?

From the little I've seen of Lyden he looks like he'll disappear down the divisions, doesn't have any stand out feature of his game, he's just there and tries but isn't good at anything.

As for Richards, total prick, shouldn't be near the first team squad. Him and his knob mate Gabby, pair of fucking losers who should have been first out of the door. It speaks volumes that we haven't paid them off and they're still lingering. Before anyone says it's not my money being written off, you are correct, but haven't them around is counter productive and lessens the chance of us being promoted, they're a pair of really poor examples to have around. We should have taken a financial hit on both of them. They're shit and ******.

[Walmley_Villa]

We need some pace on the bench and Rushian HM is the player. He made a massive difference in his one cameo and then disappeared. He is a future star for us and as Wolves and other Championship teams have demonstrated you need pace in this league. He would be ideal away from home as an outlet when under pressure.

[aj2k77]

What stood out massively for me is the way Wolves streamed forward with runners from the midfield and wide, compare to the way we attack.... it's all very organised and slow and predictable with no link up with Midfield or runners bursting through.

I think we look very very poor.

[olaftab]

That's because we were the total opposite with no cohesive midfield at all and that's how it's been in all home games bar small patches  except Rotherham who just gave up after we scored.

[russon]

I sincerely hope every last Villa fan can now sling any ideas of promotion this season into the bin and realise that what we have is a relegation battle. Make no mistake, every team in this league knows our many weaknesses, so absolutely every player will see an opportunity to get the better of us, and many will.

The fact that Bruce has articulated some of our problems, rather than spewing out a load of platitudes like his predecessors, is a positive sign. He knows what he needs to put right, and I believe he will, but it'll take time.

Fitness, mental fragility, lack of shape and cohesion are the things he needs to work on before he can strengthen in January. If we can get any form of win in the next few games, it will help immensely. But don't expect any more than mid-table stability this season. It only heaps more pressure on a nervous bunch of players, and it will ultimately lead to disappointment. We're going to have to take this one step at a time.

that's the spirit!

[brian green]

Agree one hundred percent Walmley RH-M is very quick and very busy.  Can burrow into the penalty area and cause havoc.  Should have been brought on by that clown Black so that he could have been in the fray from Day 1 in the Championship.

[andyh]

What stood out massively for me is the way Wolves streamed forward with runners from the midfield and wide, compare to the way we attack.... it's all very organised and slow and predictable with no link up with Midfield or runners bursting through.

I think we look very very poor.

Indeed, and they were making those runs right up until the end of the game.
Are our lot really that unfit, or is there a bit of arrogance in them that makes them believe they are too good to need to work hard?
 In other words, just fucking lazy?

[Tony Erdington]

What stood out massively for me is the way Wolves streamed forward with runners from the midfield and wide, compare to the way we attack.... it's all very organised and slow and predictable with no link up with Midfield or runners bursting through.

I think we look very very poor.

Indeed, and they were making those runs right up until the end of the game.
Are our lot really that unfit, or is there a bit of arrogance in them that makes them believe they are too good to need to work hard?
 In other words, just fucking lazy?

when wolves were moving forward from there half NO villa player stopped them until they were on top of us in our 18yd box.

I wonder what that ultimately is going to produce.

at this mo all my hopes are on Steve feeding the 40,000

[SheffieldVillain]

What stood out massively for me is the way Wolves streamed forward with runners from the midfield and wide, compare to the way we attack.... it's all very organised and slow and predictable with no link up with Midfield or runners bursting through.

I think we look very very poor.

Indeed, and they were making those runs right up until the end of the game.
Are our lot really that unfit, or is there a bit of arrogance in them that makes them believe they are too good to need to work hard?
 In other words, just fucking lazy?

Last season, I would have said just laziness and bad attitude. But it can't be coincidence that the players we've bought in, some of whom were previously viewed as very good players at their previous clubs, have almost immediately also looked unfit and lacked impact late in games.

[VILLA MOLE]

What stood out massively for me is the way Wolves streamed forward with runners from the midfield and wide, compare to the way we attack.... it's all very organised and slow and predictable with no link up with Midfield or runners bursting through.

I think we look very very poor.

Indeed, and they were making those runs right up until the end of the game.
Are our lot really that unfit, or is there a bit of arrogance in them that makes them believe they are too good to need to work hard?
 In other words, just fucking lazy?

Last season, I would have said just laziness and bad attitude. But it can't be coincidence that the players we've bought in, some of whom were previously viewed as very good players at their previous clubs, have almost immediately also looked unfit and lacked impact late in games.

I think it was a combination of wolves having their tails up knowing they could beat us  and being fitter

[oswald funkletrumpet]

What stood out massively for me is the way Wolves streamed forward with runners from the midfield and wide, compare to the way we attack.... it's all very organised and slow and predictable with no link up with Midfield or runners bursting through.

I think we look very very poor.

Indeed, and they were making those runs right up until the end of the game.
Are our lot really that unfit, or is there a bit of arrogance in them that makes them believe they are too good to need to work hard?
 In other words, just fucking lazy?

i was going to say exactly the same, 3 mins into injury time wolves broke and had 4 runners in a line ahead of the bloke with the ball

a couple of times towards the end we broke and there was no one ahead and no one trying to get forward

[john e]

I never wanted Bruce and  just because we got him doesn't mean I can pretend otherwise but I support Villa so like the rest if us I want to see us win games

we are all pissed off with the way thing are at the moment no matter who the manager is,
the only difference between me and the people who wanted Bruce is that at least you have hope that Bruce is the right man to turn it around and can look forward to better things including promotion even if it comes next season
Whereas I don't have that hope or belief so your in a better place than me right now

I find it difficult to fathom that you have no hope in a manager that has achieved promotion 4 times previously ? It makes no sense. I can understand you not liking him because of his style etc but to state you feel we have no chance of going up under him is just being negative for negatives sake when his record suggests otherwise

And as recently as last season

and the year before had a relegation so maybe we'll get one of them instead

like I said you keep the faith in Bruce because of his record
i'l try and pick some up along the way

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Some of you must be seeing a different Micah Richards to me.  Maybe you want to see the promising 18 year-old that broke through at Citeh and was making the England squad. The problem is he never developed from there. 

He always had the physique and decent pace, so Citeh probably reasoned that with good coaching and big match experience the other stuff: the positioning, game awareness, basic passing technique et.c would come. But it never did.

The Micah Richards 2016 version is a dim-witted manchild who thinks he's better than he is. He is not alone with that delusion, a few on our books have similar delusions of grandeur.

There was one moment in the 2nd half where Richards was facing their wide man and he actually made a 360º turn in front of him. In all the years I've been watching football I honestly don't think I've ever seen a player do that before. What the hell he was thinking I'll never know but you're right, a dim-witted manchild just about sums him up.

[damon loves JT]

Don't think I've ever seen a more dispirited post-match thread. Considering that it's SB's first game in charge, that's quite something.

[olaftab]

 Yes it is but I don't think it's anything to do with SB it's more a product of very poor performance yesterday and general realisation that we are not going to get out of this division this season.