Next Villa manager

[Clampy]

And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.

And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?

I don't expect champagne football, but Hull ended last season as 4th highest scorers and GD of +34. It wasn't like they drew their way to promotion with a bunch of fist pumping 0-0's

I'l be reminding you and your campaign for Bruce mates in about six months time when we are no further forward and having to pay another twat off for not knowing what's he's doing

il be asking where are all these goals you speak of, where is this guaranteed promotion and the rock solid defence, great organisation whilst the whole thing falls down around our heads and we go again looking for the next pair of dullard safe hands

Anyone wanting Bruce at Villa should hand their heads in shame

Hang their heads in shame? For thinking Bruce might do an ok job? What over the top bollocks.

[cdbearsfan]

And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.

And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?

Shit negative football is what Bruce excels in as well. Surely we haven't all forgotten his tiresome style of football in the years since he left the Sty?

whilst we on the other hand have for the past 6 seasons been the reincarnation of brazil in 1970

I'm not sure why people keep feeling the need to remind us of our failings.

We are all well aware that we've been garbage for half a decade.

The debate is on who we appoint to change that.

[ozzjim]

We have been treated to such a great feast of brilliant football over the last 6 years that getting 1.8 points a game and having a plus 30 odd goal difference is something we should clearly be getting sniffy about.

[Marlon From Bearwood]

If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it,  appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.

We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.

We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though.  We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.

Reality check needed - who are these top managers just waiting to move to B6 and where are they hiding? You suggested Mancini and Beisla - we have no chance of attracting these I'm afraid.

I'm no Bruce lover by the way but I'm having to accept he's the best option available. I'd quite like Burnley or Huddersfield's manager personally but realise we can't even attract those in our current predicament. Depressing, but true.

And you keep saying we're the biggest / richest club to ever be relegated. No wonder our fans get accused of arrogance. I think Man U for starters may pip us to that title.

[dave shelley]

If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it,  appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.

We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.

We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though.  We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.

Manchester United were in this division in the 1974/75 season CD, a bit richer than us even then, unless of course you are talking about this division since Sky invented football.

You are of course correct when you say we are Aston Villa and our sights should be somewhat more elevated than Steve Bruce.  Sadly, it looks as though our powers of persuasion is not going to be put to the test.

I don't particularly want Bruce but, Chris makes a valid point.  I just want someone who can take a set of players, recognise what their best positions are and play them there. 

[john e]

there's a lot on here saying they don't want Bruce then going on to make the strongest case they can for him,
probably so when it all goes wrong they can say yeah but I never wanted him, hypocrites is what you are

I can't stand him or his style of football, I think he's a overblown vastly overrated (on here) boring shit for tactics arsehole
I think that now and i'l still think that when he walks through the door

[olaftab]

My concern is that we will not have the chance to fundamentally rebuild the team in the PL. The playing style we go up with can be tweaked but not massively overhauled. You are then reliant on hanging on in the PL for a couple of seasons and slowly change. Anybody that thinks we can go up without a fundamental structure we can develop in the PL is sailing on hopefully.

The opportunity to rebuild this club from top to bottom on the playing side is now. Decide how you want to go forward and get the manager that suits the system. Swansea did it with some success but hit the glass ceiling for them due to not having the finances to go to the next level.

Totally argeee with this. Bruce is a patch up manager who will get us back and then down again in double quick time. It's a shame we couldn't persuade Wagner.

[Jimbo]

If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it,  appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.

We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.

We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though.  We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.

We are Aston Villa, the club other clubs can't wait to play because they know they'll get something out of it. We are Aston Villa, the club that’s sitting 19th in the Championship. The club that can't buy a win. The club that hasn't won away in over a year. The club that's won four matches in the time it took Barcelona to win four cups. The club that's closed part of its ground because it can't fill it. The club that's the butt of every joke in English football. The club that's synonymous with failure. The club that desperately needs stability before it can hope to become anywhere near great again. That's the club we are after 10 years of Randy Lerner. It won't change overnight.

[Toronto Villa]

That's the thing John. Not one person is advocating Bruce and making a strong case for him. If it was Bruce vs a plethora of other attractive candidates in October you'll find most people choosing one of them. But there just isn't and you're being really quite melodramatic in your opposition to him. In fact not one person is advocating him to the same levels as you are opposing him.

[ClaretAndBlueBlood]

If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it,  appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.

We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.

We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though.  We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.

Reality check needed - who are these top managers just waiting to move to B6 and where are they hiding? You suggested Mancini and Beisla - we have no chance of attracting these I'm afraid.

I'm no Bruce lover by the way but I'm having to accept he's the best option available. I'd quite like Burnley or Huddersfield's manager personally but realise we can't even attract those in our current predicament. Depressing, but true.

And you keep saying we're the biggest / richest club to ever be relegated. No wonder our fans get accused of arrogance. I think Man U for starters may pip us to that title.

how do you know that is true?

[sickbeggar]

Well if you want stability you don't sack a manager after 2 months. Likewise,stability doesn't spring to mind if you're appointing a manager who will get us up, but is deemed too shit to manage us when we get there

[kippaxvilla2]

I like Bruce - there I have said it.

[KRS]

there's a lot on here saying they don't want Bruce then going on to make the strongest case they can for him,
probably so when it all goes wrong they can say yeah but I never wanted him, hypocrites is what you are

I can't stand him or his style of football, I think he's a overblown vastly overrated (on here) boring shit for tactics arsehole
I think that now and i'l still think that when he walks through the door

Please enlighten us with a selection of better options given the current state of play on and off the field.

Personally I think Dyche or Fat Sam would be the best options for the job, but I can't see Dyche leaving Burnley and Fat Sam has a whole world of shit following him at the moment. Another option would be Southgate but he's busy at the moment.

[cdbearsfan]

If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it,  appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.

We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.

We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though.  We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.

Manchester United were in this division in the 1974/75 season CD, a bit richer than us even then, unless of course you are talking about this division since Sky invented football.

You are of course correct when you say we are Aston Villa and our sights should be somewhat more elevated than Steve Bruce.  Sadly, it looks as though our powers of persuasion is not going to be put to the test.

I don't particularly want Bruce but, Chris makes a valid point.  I just want someone who can take a set of players, recognise what their best positions are and play them there.

Manchester United Honours as of 1974:
7 League Titles
3 FA Cups
0 League Cups
1 European Cup

Aston Villa Honours as of 2016:
7 League Titles
7 FA Cups
5 League Cups
1 European Cup.

We are the biggest club ever to play in this division.

[ClaretAndBlueBlood]

I like Bruce - there I have said it.

you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong :-)