Dr T has pulled the trigger

[Billy Walker]

"In recent years we've sacked our last three managers when they've gone into 1 win in 9/10/11 games terrority.

RDM is very close to that now ..."

Two big differences, SoccerHQ:

  1.The three previous managers were given a whole lot longer than one month of football to make their mark at the Club.

2.The three previous managers had us losing five, six, seven games in a row.

[nick harper]

Someone on another thread said at the end of their post 'we haven't got the points we deserve' which I thought was about right. Other than Luton and Bristol City, you could arguably say that we've deserved to win every game we've played but naivety, switching off and shoddy defending have cost us. Take away the last minute goals, we'd be up in the play off area's and we're only 5 points off them anyway but people are just seeing that we're 17th and deciding it's a disaster. Huddersfield are top but it doesn't mean they're going to stay there.

It sounded as if we fully deserved not to win on Wednesday, but the general point may stand.

I was there and on opportunties created and effots on goal we deserved to win even though we tried to sit on the lead for most of the second half. Brentford were neat and tidy but like most sides in this division, lacked quality in the final third.

It's immensely frustrating the way the game ended but given the amount of change at the club over the last 6 months, throwing another manager under the bus is just going to destabilise the club even more.

Appreciate we are probably less patient than most fans given the awfulness of the last few years, and 12 months in particular, but I think we need to hold our nerve and give the manager time to get the best out of the squad. Clearly, if we are still on a point a game towards the end of the year, then a change is inevitable.

[brontebilly]

One thing Newcastle have managed to keep that we haven't is a core of players that presumably know how each other play. Okay, they also got them relegated but at least they've had more or less a year together. Virtually the whole of our team is new - some out of choice, some because we couldn't replace them.

Another, more annoying difference is that Newcastle lost anyone who was any good and play better. When Villa lost their best players they couldn't score six goals in six games, never mind one.

Rafael Benitez is up there with the top 4 or 5 managers in the top division, I think that's the big difference. The money Newcastle got for players who were a disgrace last season, sissoko for example is staggering.

It's not about individual players either, the likes of Clark, Gayle and Ritchie aren't world beaters. We spent as much if not more on higher rated players. But Newcastle are miles a better team as their manager is vastly superior than ours. There isn't a chance Benitez would sent out as unbalanced a side as we did v Brentford.

[David_Nab]

Newcastle's 6 nil win came with Gayle ,Diame , Colback , Handley,Atsu and Yedlin on the bench ..they are very strong squad wise ,much stronger than us overall as I think we lack quality in midfield.

They should walk the league with ease , we have had to do a much bigger rebuild and have a manager newer into the role, still things need to improve.Whilst he has had far less time than other recent managers sacked for not performing the flip side is he has spent much more than them.

[joe_c]

If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.

[Pat McMahon]

Someone on another thread said at the end of their post 'we haven't got the points we deserve' which I thought was about right. Other than Luton and Bristol City, you could arguably say that we've deserved to win every game we've played but naivety, switching off and shoddy defending have cost us. Take away the last minute goals, we'd be up in the play off area's and we're only 5 points off them anyway but people are just seeing that we're 17th and deciding it's a disaster. Huddersfield are top but it doesn't mean they're going to stay there.

It sounded as if we fully deserved not to win on Wednesday, but the general point may stand.

I was there and on opportunties created and effots on goal we deserved to win even though we tried to sit on the lead for most of the second half. Brentford were neat and tidy but like most sides in this division, lacked quality in the final third.

BBC had Brentford beating us 5-3 for shots on target. Listening to the radio a draw sounded fair - Thompson kept saying he feared it was coming from 30 minutes on

[olaftab]

Huddersfield and Brentford fully deservered their point.

[in exile]

If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.

Yes - I hate people enjoying their self too

[joe_c]

If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.

Yes - I hate people enjoying their self too

The last five or six years at Villa Park must have been a real treat for you if that's the case.

[in exile]

If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.

Yes - I hate people enjoying their self too

The last five or six years at Villa Park must have been a real treat for you if that's the case.

Of course. My club, my passion. Through the good times and the bad

[Tony Erdington]

Huddersfield and Brentford fully deservered their point.

Absolutely agree, BUT they shouldn't have lived with us, and I'm seeing that as lack of tactics tim,

ok its knee jerk, but Bruce is available and I believe he knows how to get results.

[Stirchley Villain]

If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.

Yes - I hate people enjoying their self too

The last five or six years at Villa Park must have been a real treat for you if that's the case.

It's been nice seeing the opposition fans enjoying themselves though... even if we were all miserable.

[Des Little]

If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.

We've got a lot of shit songs, my lord

[LeeB]

If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.

We've got a lot of shit songs, my lord

There's only one Des Little.

[pauliewalnuts]

"In recent years we've sacked our last three managers when they've gone into 1 win in 9/10/11 games terrority.

RDM is very close to that now ..."

Two big differences, SoccerHQ:

  1.The three previous managers were given a whole lot longer than one month of football to make their mark at the Club.

2.The three previous managers had us losing five, six, seven games in a row.

I know what you mean, but if we're using the shitness of previous managers as a yardstick to rate the current one, we're in trouble.