BBC Sports Personality Of The Year

[Dave Cooper please]

Pissed off that Murray couldn't show his face at the awards given it was an unprecedented third win.

I'm chuffed Murray didn't bother to interrupt his training schedule to go to be arselicked by Lineker and Logan, he's focused on one thing right now, getting himself in the absolute peak form to win the Australian Open and maintain his number one position, that's why he's number one, you can criticise his personality all you want but fuck me he knows what it has taken to get where he is in probably one of the most demanding sports and in an era where he has had to battle against some of the best players ever seen in the sport, and he wants more. Good on him.

As for SPOTY itself, it could and should be a great showcase of the sporting year, but it's just a load of sycophantic bollocks with hardly any decent footage and just a lot of waffle.

[Risso]

I'm ok with Murray winning. I like him personally. He is humorous without pandering to that statutory showbiz bollox. He works his tits off all year around, not just for a couple of events per year.

Mo Farah is an incredible athlete but has all the personality of a cardboard box.

The show was cringeworthy in places. Nick Skelton? Who? Does the Queen's vote have more sway?

Bold bit - do you believe Brownlee, Farah and Trott (in particular) could be the dominant forces they are if they didn't work their tits off just as much?

There's a subtle difference between having to step up and prove yourself in a competitive arena week in week out compared to how Olympians justify their endeavours. Murray was never out of the news reports for all the right reasons for which he thoroughly deserves the accolade. So, in summary, yes the is a difference.

Tennis is a much higher profile sport, so he's bound to be in the papers more.

And I'm glad Nick Skelton did well, he was my nan's favourite.

[PeterWithesShin]

Didn't Nick Skelton used to be in the show jumping back in the days of Smith and Broome? I'm sure there was a Skelton back then. I could Google but more fun asking on here. I used to enjoy watching show jumping back in those days, especially the fence that kept going higher. I know the name of that even but buggered if i'm spelling it!

[paul_e]

I'm ok with Murray winning. I like him personally. He is humorous without pandering to that statutory showbiz bollox. He works his tits off all year around, not just for a couple of events per year.

Mo Farah is an incredible athlete but has all the personality of a cardboard box.

The show was cringeworthy in places. Nick Skelton? Who? Does the Queen's vote have more sway?

Bold bit - do you believe Brownlee, Farah and Trott (in particular) could be the dominant forces they are if they didn't work their tits off just as much?

There's a subtle difference between having to step up and prove yourself in a competitive arena week in week out compared to how Olympians justify their endeavours. Murray was never out of the news reports for all the right reasons for which he thoroughly deserves the accolade. So, in summary, yes the is a difference.

ok so we can write off anyone who isn't an f1 driver or a rugby, football, cricket or tennis player then? All those other people training for 4 years for the 1 event that gets them global coverage don't deserve recognition for that because we don't hear about their efforts enough?  Really?

[rob_bridge]

Didn't Nick Skelton used to be in the show jumping back in the days of Smith and Broome? I'm sure there was a Skelton back then. I could Google but more fun asking on here. I used to enjoy watching show jumping back in those days, especially the fence that kept going higher. I know the name of that even but buggered if i'm spelling it!

Same one and broke his neck a while back too

[Risso]

Didn't Nick Skelton used to be in the show jumping back in the days of Smith and Broome? I'm sure there was a Skelton back then. I could Google but more fun asking on here. I used to enjoy watching show jumping back in those days, especially the fence that kept going higher. I know the name of that even but buggered if i'm spelling it!

Yes he was.  I was watching that high fence thing this weekend as my daughter had recorded the gee gees at Olympia, and it's incredible.  My eldest daugher has been horse riding for a while now, and is just getting into jumping.  My heart is in my mouth watching her go over a pair of crossed poles a couple of feet high, so christ knows how the professionals clear 7 foot fences.

[Tayls_7]

I'm ok with Murray winning. I like him personally. He is humorous without pandering to that statutory showbiz bollox. He works his tits off all year around, not just for a couple of events per year.

Mo Farah is an incredible athlete but has all the personality of a cardboard box.

The show was cringeworthy in places. Nick Skelton? Who? Does the Queen's vote have more sway?

Bold bit - do you believe Brownlee, Farah and Trott (in particular) could be the dominant forces they are if they didn't work their tits off just as much?

There's a subtle difference between having to step up and prove yourself in a competitive arena week in week out compared to how Olympians justify their endeavours. Murray was never out of the news reports for all the right reasons for which he thoroughly deserves the accolade. So, in summary, yes the is a difference.

ok so we can write off anyone who isn't an f1 driver or a rugby, football, cricket or tennis player then? All those other people training for 4 years for the 1 event that gets them global coverage don't deserve recognition for that because we don't hear about their efforts enough?  Really?

Of course not but in this instance it is a valid factor in the argument for Murray being awarded the trophy over other contenders.

[Simon Page]

...christ knows how the professionals clear 7 foot fences.

By sitting on the back of a really talented horse that hasn't worked out how to get across that neigh means nay?

[PeterWithesShin]

Ta chaps. Only other things I remember from back then to do with it is the brothers (Whittaker?) And Sanyo Sanmar.

[usav]

Not really a sport, IMO.

Fair enough if you don't like gymnastics, but to say it is not a sport is a little silly.

Is dancing a sport?

Gymnastics is not dancing.  What's your point?

[paul_e]

I'm ok with Murray winning. I like him personally. He is humorous without pandering to that statutory showbiz bollox. He works his tits off all year around, not just for a couple of events per year.

Mo Farah is an incredible athlete but has all the personality of a cardboard box.

The show was cringeworthy in places. Nick Skelton? Who? Does the Queen's vote have more sway?

Bold bit - do you believe Brownlee, Farah and Trott (in particular) could be the dominant forces they are if they didn't work their tits off just as much?

There's a subtle difference between having to step up and prove yourself in a competitive arena week in week out compared to how Olympians justify their endeavours. Murray was never out of the news reports for all the right reasons for which he thoroughly deserves the accolade. So, in summary, yes the is a difference.

ok so we can write off anyone who isn't an f1 driver or a rugby, football, cricket or tennis player then? All those other people training for 4 years for the 1 event that gets them global coverage don't deserve recognition for that because we don't hear about their efforts enough?  Really?

Of course not but in this instance it is a valid factor in the argument for Murray being awarded the trophy over other contenders.

No, it can't be, because if it is what it actually means is that if someone from one of those sports has a good year the minority sports get ignored. In a year where we have our most successful olympics ever it feels wrong to dismiss people because all they did was have a brilliant olympics.  I know that's not exactly what you're saying but you are leaning towards it.

[cdbearsfan]

Not really a sport, IMO.

Fair enough if you don't like gymnastics, but to say it is not a sport is a little silly.

Is dancing a sport?

Gymnastics is not dancing.  What's your point?

It basically is, though. Same as ice skating, which is also not a proper sport. I don't doubt that they are highly trained and very skilful. Doesn't make it a sport.

I don't think anything that relies on judging as the first criteria is a sport. Boxing is because they have the opportunity to knock each other out before the judges intervene. Gymnastics, dancing, cake-baking, ice twirling and anything else which is entirely reliant on judges is an artistic endeavour, not a sporting one.

[usav]

Not really a sport, IMO.

Fair enough if you don't like gymnastics, but to say it is not a sport is a little silly.

Is dancing a sport?

Gymnastics is not dancing.  What's your point?

It basically is, though. Same as ice skating, which is also not a proper sport.

You must only be thinking of the floor routine then.  Vault, uneven bars and beam all take a lot of strength not to mention skill.

[Villafirst]

Not really a sport, IMO.

Fair enough if you don't like gymnastics, but to say it is not a sport is a little silly.

Is dancing a sport?

Gymnastics is not dancing.  What's your point?

It basically is, though. Same as ice skating, which is also not a proper sport.

You must only be thinking of the floor routine then.  Vault, uneven bars and beam all take a lot of strength not to mention skill.

We'll said. Some people on here haven't a clue thinking it's just dancing!

[cdbearsfan]

Not really a sport, IMO.

Fair enough if you don't like gymnastics, but to say it is not a sport is a little silly.

Is dancing a sport?

Gymnastics is not dancing.  What's your point?

It basically is, though. Same as ice skating, which is also not a proper sport.

You must only be thinking of the floor routine then.  Vault, uneven bars and beam all take a lot of strength not to mention skill.

I never said they didn't.

Doesn't make it a sport.