Sheffield Wednesday v Aston Villa Post Match Thread

[tomd2103]

Bacuna was at times one of our better players out there.  it has got to be frustrating playing in front of Hutton, who again played like an ale house footballer. 

Thought Ayew run his socks off, but just couldn't find the final ball. 

If McCormack's chance had been buried we would be all singing/dancing  on here tonight.  In truth we probably didn't do enough to win.  The Championship is everything that we were warned about 110 miles  per hour (Saunders would love that), with limited skill as compared to much of the premiership.

Just feel at 23:12 on a Sunday night very frustrated.

Sorry, just didn't see that.  He was totally anonymous in the first half and hardly offered anything in the second.  Green looked far more lively when he came on.   Bacuna, Westwood, Baker etc. looked what they are - bang average Championship players who should have been nowhere near a top flight side.

Well maybe they have found there level now because as it stands they aren't anywhere near a top flight side. Horses for courses hopefully. Steve Sims and David Hunt to get you up and then Derek Mountfield and Gordon Cowans to kick on.

Problem is Damo that they aren't top end of the Championship players.  Despite this, I definitely think there were some positives, especially in the second half.  The shape looked better and we actually seemed to have a style of play.  Elphick looks a natural leader and in McCormack, we seem to have someone who can produce a bit of quality in the final third, especially from set pieces.  We just to need upgrades on Hutton, Baker, Westwood, Gardner, Bacuna and Gestede.

[Axl Rose]

Bacuna put in a number of good crosses and had a shot just over the bar. I really don't get why people keep saying he was shit/anonymous? He wasn't brilliant and he wasn't shit, he was decent.

He's behind Agbonlahor, Richards and Lescott in the ****** stakes, and certainly neck a neck with Westwood for being the centre of my wrath, but I thought he played ok.

He can cross a ball, has a good engine. He doesn't do enough, usually, but credit where credit's due, that was a decent performance.

I thought the crap players on display today were Cissohko, Gestede, Hutton and Gardner. Westwood had a few shots, but what an anonymous, weak midget he is. He's like a thin Barry Bannan, who himself was massively rubbish today.

Frustrating loss, but we did ok second half. Ayew needs to look up more. That's my view on him. Gestede needs to fuck off. There'd be a better performance by a snowman.

[Axl Rose]

Bacuna was at times one of our better players out there.  it has got to be frustrating playing in front of Hutton, who again played like an ale house footballer. 

Thought Ayew run his socks off, but just couldn't find the final ball. 

If McCormack's chance had been buried we would be all singing/dancing  on here tonight.  In truth we probably didn't do enough to win.  The Championship is everything that we were warned about 110 miles  per hour (Saunders would love that), with limited skill as compared to much of the premiership.

Just feel at 23:12 on a Sunday night very frustrated.

Sorry, just didn't see that.  He was totally anonymous in the first half and hardly offered anything in the second.  Green looked far more lively when he came on.   Bacuna, Westwood, Baker etc. looked what they are - bang average Championship players who should have been nowhere near a top flight side.

Well maybe they have found there level now because as it stands they aren't anywhere near a top flight side. Horses for courses hopefully. Steve Sims and David Hunt to get you up and then Derek Mountfield and Gordon Cowans to kick on.

Problem is Damo that they aren't top end of the Championship players.  Despite this, I definitely think there were some positives, especially in the second half.  The shape looked better and we actually seemed to have a style of play.  Elphick looks a natural leader and in McCormack, we seem to have someone who can produce a bit of quality in the final third, especially from set pieces.  We just to need upgrades on Hutton, Baker, Westwood, Gardner, Bacuna and Gestede.

That's exactly it, mate. 6 players out of a starting 11, who just aren't up to it. You can't play with 4 outfield players and expect to do well, but that's just what we seem to do week in, week out.

It's incredibly frustrating, as everyone can see it. Week in, week out.

[tomd2103]

Bacuna was at times one of our better players out there.  it has got to be frustrating playing in front of Hutton, who again played like an ale house footballer. 

Thought Ayew run his socks off, but just couldn't find the final ball. 

If McCormack's chance had been buried we would be all singing/dancing  on here tonight.  In truth we probably didn't do enough to win.  The Championship is everything that we were warned about 110 miles  per hour (Saunders would love that), with limited skill as compared to much of the premiership.

Just feel at 23:12 on a Sunday night very frustrated.

Sorry, just didn't see that.  He was totally anonymous in the first half and hardly offered anything in the second.  Green looked far more lively when he came on.   Bacuna, Westwood, Baker etc. looked what they are - bang average Championship players who should have been nowhere near a top flight side.

Well maybe they have found there level now because as it stands they aren't anywhere near a top flight side. Horses for courses hopefully. Steve Sims and David Hunt to get you up and then Derek Mountfield and Gordon Cowans to kick on.

Problem is Damo that they aren't top end of the Championship players.  Despite this, I definitely think there were some positives, especially in the second half.  The shape looked better and we actually seemed to have a style of play.  Elphick looks a natural leader and in McCormack, we seem to have someone who can produce a bit of quality in the final third, especially from set pieces.  We just to need upgrades on Hutton, Baker, Westwood, Gardner, Bacuna and Gestede.

That's exactly it, mate. 6 players out of a starting 11, who just aren't up to it. You can't play with 4 outfield players and expect to do well, but that's just what we seem to do week in, week out.

It's incredibly frustrating, as everyone can see it. Week in, week out.

Agree, which is why I think we are going to need some patience this season. The first half was turgid, but there was definitely some encouraging signs in the second period.  It will need some time though before we can replace all of those that need to go. 

[mike]

Utterly shit team from last season turns out to still be utterly shit.

[mr underhill]

exactly, the only encouraging sign that means anything is when we actually win a game of competitive football and that won't happen until we have the  serial underachievers out of the side

[pbavfckuwait]

It will take time but when you have 6 players in the starting line up from what can only be described as the season from hell and 2 that have been around the rotting corpse of Aston Villa as a premier outfit for far to long, it will not happen overnight, but the squad must be shite if the likes of Hutton, Cissokho, Bacuna, Westwood and Gestede are still starters. Baker may be ok this year, again Gardner if he was half as good as we make him to be when he is not playing, well we know the story.

Ayew I would sacrifice if we are not going to play him through the middle, get 15 or 20 million for him and get a player who has skill and also willing to play his role within the team, not at times sulk if it does not work every time.

Gestede if there are no crosses coming in you cannot get use from, then roll your sleeves up you lazy tosser and make those opposition players near you know they are in a game.

Long season that I think we will have a better idea how we will fair come September, but the losing mentality carried by those players from last year will not disappear with that many of the starting line up, from last year.

[Nelly]

I didn't get the impression that Ayew was sulking, he seemed our only attacking threat in the early/middle part of the game and made opportunities for us with his running. He could have buried the header from Bacuna's cross but I thought he and Elphic were our standout players. I'd play him and McCormack up front together and put Green on the left maybe.

[pbavfckuwait]

Nelly he has given the impression that when all is not well, he is not up to the task and can go missing, not yesterday but last season. In this league we need all 11 to be on their game and on it for 90+ minutes. We have players who have the habit of turning off at certain crucial times in a game, the one thing RDM has to do if he is going to use the players from last year is teach them game management, if they continue to not learn shift on.

[Nelly]

Nelly he has given the impression that when all is not well, he is not up to the task and can go missing, not yesterday but last season. In this league we need all 11 to be on their game and on it for 90+ minutes. We have players who have the habit of turning off at certain crucial times in a game, the one thing RDM has to do if he is going to use the players from last year is teach them game management, if they continue to not learn shift on.

I probably would have had a bit of a sulk if I was in last season's team! I do hear what you're saying though and generally agree but I think Ayew does okay. Last season he was one of the few who got an ounce of credit for their play.

I think if we played him where he perceives his best position to be and sorted out some decent supply to him, he'd seem less sulky, but half of this is probably just his facial expressions- he always has that "offended/pained/stressed" face.

[mr underhill]

this will annoy a lot of people I'm sure after just 90 minutes of competitive action, but winning the next two games at home could be crucial to getting a positive reaction to the offers/ bids we have in right now.

[VinnieChase84]

Central midfield is a major concern. Tish should start alongside a new unit (Jedinak) imo. Hopefully a right back is on our wish list as having to see Hutton all season will make my eyes bleed.
Slightly in love with Tommy already, a proper proper captain. More leaders like him would be superb.
As others have said with regards Gestede, unless we start playing with width and wingers then having him up top is pointless. He's is immobile and doesn't press the back line at all. We need pace and movement to stretch teams and allow our better players more space (Ayew, Ross and jack)
All in all, a frustrating start. Hopefully as others stated, this will just speed up our transfer dealings

[Ron Manager]

So we lost 1-0 against a team who had one defeat in the last twenty at home.W e put in an encouraging performance and Di Matteo should be able to identify who are the weak links
We need  Green in the team and additional power in the midfield.
A good start .

[sid1964]

when I played full back at a very decent level, I was told that if the winger got the ball, that it was my job to stop the ball being crossed into our box, watching yesterday, I cannot remember seeing either Hutton / Cissohko, do that once!

They are useless, and both of them ought to learn how to cross a ball, are these two players not Internationals! we need Amavi to on the left and a good Right back to be signed

Also Gardner, I forgot he was on the pitch, he does not influence the game for me.

Ayew, does not work hard enough to be playing left hand side of midfield, good going forward, although he does want to cut inside most of the time.

We have a fair few issues to sort over the next few weeks before the end of the transfer deadline, if we don't then any enthusiasm and hope that the new owner / Manager have given us will soon disappear.

[dorsetvillian]

Central mid field is the biggest problem. Gardener and Westwood are just too weak. Although in the back row of the lower tier, I couldn't really see the team shape, but was amazed how much time both Ayew and McCormack spent outside the box. I thought we deserved a point for the second half display.