Turning Points

[conman]

many turning points , beating liverpool at wembley last season , not taking full allocations for away matches , closing the adventurers and not giving albrighton a new contract

[Irish villain]

Yes, I agree MON had his limitations.

I'm just saying that the blame isn't on him. If he was such a bad manager, selling good young players etc, why didn't they sack him the May 2010 and bring in somebody decent when the market was better?

Because as you might have noticed, the people in charge are rubbish at running football clubs.

Thanks, you have reinforced my point about Lerner's shitness better than I ever could

[Dave]

Yes, I agree MON had his limitations.

I'm just saying that the blame isn't on him. If he was such a bad manager, selling good young players etc, why didn't they sack him the May 2010 and bring in somebody decent when the market was better?

Because as you might have noticed, the people in charge are rubbish at running football clubs.

Thanks, you have reinforced my point about Lerner's shitness better than I ever could

"Your point"? Your point looked to me like an unwarranted exonoration of O'Neill.

I don't think that Lerner's incompetence is really a point that anybody needs to make or have reinforced. It's a fully accepted truth.

[Irish villain]

Yes, I agree MON had his limitations.

I'm just saying that the blame isn't on him. If he was such a bad manager, selling good young players etc, why didn't they sack him the May 2010 and bring in somebody decent when the market was better?

Because as you might have noticed, the people in charge are rubbish at running football clubs.

Thanks, you have reinforced my point about Lerner's shitness better than I ever could

"Your point"? Your point looked to me like an unwarranted exonoration of O'Neill.

I don't think that Lerner's incompetence is really a point that anybody needs to make or have reinforced. It's a fully accepted truth.

No, I was making the point that responsibility for our problems is full square on Lerner's shoulders. Citing MON as a major source of our problems this half decade is ridiculous. I mentioned his limitations as a manager but balanced that by saying the events that have transpired since 2010 have caused me to re-evaluate what happened that summer.

It's an accepted truth that Lerner's incompetent? For years I have seen people embrace the latest 'plan': 'young and hungry', 'old and experienced', Tom Fox and now the belated changes at board level.

[john2710]

Every change or decision the club has made since MON walked out have been made from a position of weakness. It's been compounded by the ineptitude of those making the decisions & the increasingly limited options available as our position deteriorated.

For all MON's faults, and there's plenty, he's been the only person at the club during Lerner's reign, who was fit to run a football club.

[Walmley_Villa]

I am surprised nobody has mentioned Lerner's divorce in 2011 and the family taking over the 'money'.

[Walmley_Villa]

Also, the Macron curse....Bolton down this season plus Villa!

[olaftab]

I think it went wrong when Houlier got ill and then demanded a settlement.

I agree to an extent. I watched the BBC clip today on "where did it go wrong for the Villa" and they showed the PC where Houllier was introduced and my reaction was "wow we did appoint a big Manager to replace MON something that we could do and now we are looking at who??"

[steffo]

TSM1

The bomb squad

Bradford City

Culverhouse & Karsa

TSM2 given another contract.

The shameful record books being shattered.

Yesterday.

[Holte L2]

Leicester away was the turning point this season.

[garyshawsknee]

Watching their game today I thought the same, for both teams.

[jembob]

Having given it some thought,i would go for O'Neil walking out on the club just five days before the new season kicked off as the biggest single turning point

Not for me. We still had a half decent squad of players at that time although we had not played well for at least a season before that - MON had run out of ideas by that time and we were far too predictable.
The appointment of TSM1 marked the beginning of the end in my view. Not only did we acquire a manager with a deplorable track record in management, but the Board were fully aware of the animosity which the appointment would create with the fans and went ahead anyway. I always felt that Lerner appointed TSM1 because he liked him personally and not because he was a winner. This mistake was to be repeated with TSM2 and Tim.
Given the financial restraints which all managers would face post-MON, the appointment of decent chaps as manager was always going to mean perpetual struggle.

[saunders_heroes]

Yes, I agree MON had his limitations.

I'm just saying that the blame isn't on him. If he was such a bad manager, selling good young players etc, why didn't they sack him the May 2010 and bring in somebody decent when the market was better?

Because as you might have noticed, the people in charge are rubbish at running football clubs.

Thanks, you have reinforced my point about Lerner's shitness better than I ever could

"Your point"? Your point looked to me like an unwarranted exonoration of O'Neill.

I don't think that Lerner's incompetence is really a point that anybody needs to make or have reinforced. It's a fully accepted truth.

No, I was making the point that responsibility for our problems is full square on Lerner's shoulders. Citing MON as a major source of our problems this half decade is ridiculous. I mentioned his limitations as a manager but balanced that by saying the events that have transpired since 2010 have caused me to re-evaluate what happened that summer.

It's an accepted truth that Lerner's incompetent? For years I have seen people embrace the latest 'plan': 'young and hungry', 'old and experienced', Tom Fox and now the belated changes at board level.

I agree. It was very late in the day when Lerner was accepted as an incompetent buffoon not fit to run a football club and he had a lot of support from fans till relatively recently. I still shudder when I hear the dreaded "young and hungry" mentioned. So many of us fell for that one.

[A Northern Soul]

More recently, the exit door this summer was telling. Not only the Delph fiasco but the speed at which Benteke made it clear he would be off, the unwillingness of Cleverly to engage over a contract, same with Vlaar and the lack of a plan B when we couldn't get Begovic to join us. The messages coming out of that muddle were that players with any sort of kudos didn't want to be near the place and any hope of a decent spine evaporated

[Richard E]

Stalingrad or El Alamein.