Manager for next season

[Chico Hamilton III]

So we'd get out of the Championship and then we'd have to fire him for being in the bottom 3 all over again?

No, sack him if we don't progress. It's quite simple.
 No point worrying about how we'll do in the Premier League when we're in the league below

[Toronto Villa]

So we'd get out of the Championship and then we'd have to fire him for being in the bottom 3 all over again?

No, sack him if we don't progress.
 No point worrying about how we'll do in the Premier League when we're in the league below

What indication is there that we'd progress when he keeps getting fired for not being very good? If rather we took the approach of finding a manager if Garde leaves that not only gets us out of the division but actually is competent at that level. It's the same as the Steve Bruce argument. We'd be back to square one, in the PL circling the drain to inevitable relegation. And this constant hiring and firing has to stop. It's not exactly financially prudent.

[Chico Hamilton III]

There's no indication, It's football not science. There's no such thing as long term planning where managers are concerned. They do a job immediately or they're on their way. That's how it works. Who' would your suggestion be and what indicators do you have that he would be a success?

[Toronto Villa]

You're right it's not a science. And what neither of us know is how the change in structure at the club will impact the current manager. I'm just not a big advocate of dropping in lower level experts because that's what they seem to excel at and then firing them when inevitably they come up short at a level they have previously come up short. Personally I would rather reach for a manager who has succeeded at PL level to not only get us up but has enough ability to steer us appropriately once we do. That or simply provide Garde with the required resources because he has an understanding of the club now and critically of the problems.

[mattjpa]

Before you all write Garde off (although the 2 chaps arguing either side have had a great debate and both have made good points) I think people should remember one thing - he hasn't been able to sign one single player. Not one. Take that in for a second before comparing him to TS who, as well as being able to bring in some players he wanted also had a whole preseason with this squad. That is a massive difference, not in terms of quality or atributes but in terms of getting a squad to play for you and leave everything on the pitch. There is not one in that dressing room Garde can go to and say "I fought long and hard to get you here because I believe in you, now fight for me". There is not one person in that squad who can speak up against the discerners. When a couple of old pros on decent contracts are telling the younger players "f### this guy, he's rubbish, don't know what he's on about. Don't worry he will be gone by the summer" Garde has nobody in that room saying otherwise. My point is beautifully illustrated by the fact we currently have Richards as captain. Says it all really....

[LeeB]

I'd rather just keep Garde.

Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.

I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.

yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!

pure genius

Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.

just dont do it openly, its not that difficult a concept to  grasp

we are getting worse not better under him

did anyone want mcneill to stay?

Is there some fucking law nobody has told me about which means you can't?

Because otherwise it's one of those bollocks football cliches that people blindly follow.

Telling us everything is rosy whilst serving up utter drivel worked well for the last boss, didn't it?

anyone can see that everything is shit you only have to look at the table

garde calling players out with no backup plan was naive in the extreme and backfired

i watched a villa side stop trying against liverpool which cannot be defended.

he has made a shit team shitter, if you want to give reasons to the contary be my guest

2 wins in half a season

no further questions your honour

You see, you've just repeated the same tired cliche without explaining a thing.

Garde 'called out' as you say, those fuckwits after we got stuffed by Liverpool, which was the very least they deserved for their pathetic display and lack of effort.

I'm absolutely not having this bollocks about criticising them, it's claptrap. Fergie may have been against it but his players worked for him, they'd earned it.

not explaining a thing?

ive explained how garde publically called out the players then picked them all again the next week which acheived the square route of fuck all

ive explained that he cannot motivate them, has zero motivatial skills, is tactically inept, has won 2 games in half a season and is on paper a worse mananger than billy mcneill

and im the one who is deluded?

how many more facts do you want to ignore?

garde is not the man to take us forward in any shape or form

Facts and opinions are two different things, much like statements and questions.

Calling them out made no difference true, but it's hardly made things worse given their level of performance in the game prior,and neither has coaching them, being nice to them, trying them in different positions, or tickling their arses with duck feathers as far as I'm aware.

Because they are fucking shit players.

[Toronto Villa]

The eye bleeding quotathon has to stop!!

[LeeB]

The eye bleeding quotathon has to stop!!

I know, I ballsed it but I'm on the bloody IPhone and it's hard work

[dl9]

Statistically Les Reed's ill fated reign at Charlton surely qualifies him as our next manager?

Isn't he a bit busy being the main reason Southampton have done as well as they have for the last five years or so?

Dunno, but wait till he comes to us and he'll soon find his Charlton feet again...

[Steve67]

Before you all write Garde off (although the 2 chaps arguing either side have had a great debate and both have made good points) I think people should remember one thing - he hasn't been able to sign one single player. Not one. Take that in for a second before comparing him to TS who, as well as being able to bring in some players he wanted also had a whole preseason with this squad. That is a massive difference, not in terms of quality or atributes but in terms of getting a squad to play for you and leave everything on the pitch. There is not one in that dressing room Garde can go to and say "I fought long and hard to get you here because I believe in you, now fight for me". There is not one person in that squad who can speak up against the discerners. When a couple of old pros on decent contracts are telling the younger players "f### this guy, he's rubbish, don't know what he's on about. Don't worry he will be gone by the summer" Garde has nobody in that room saying otherwise. My point is beautifully illustrated by the fact we currently have Richards as captain. Says it all really....

I'm playing devil's advocate here Matt.  Garde can strip Richards of the captaincy if he feels he's being undermined. Yet, he hasn't.  He can stop playing the likes of Bacuna, Gabby and Richards if he feels he's being undermined, play the kids, the fans will forgive this, particularly as Garde has already come out and said that the players aren't good enough etc.  You are correct in that he hasn't been able to bring in any of his own players.  What chance does he now have of getting them in when we drop to the Championship?  Are we going to get ore excuses because of this?  I am not against either you or Remi Garde, part of me feels that there has been too much change too quickly, part of me feels that Garde should be given a chance.  However, Garde really needs to start making positive changes, he hasn't thus far. 

[dl9]

Just saw the pre match preview on Sky, they ask Garde if Villa have made any progress since he took over following the first match he saw at white hart lane. To be fair to him he didn't try and bullshit his way out of it, he just exhaled and looked skywards as if to say "how can I possibly justify the fact that we are currently the worst team in the universe ever even the Uranus Blind ladies Eleven have a better points tally than this shower of shite".
Then Davos and Davros stepped in and everyone had a party.
These pills are good btw.

[mr underhill]

even Davros can't polish a Turdis

[Gregorys Boy]

I agree with the sentiment that we need someone to rebuild us long term which is why a younger manager with a decent amout of experience would be a good middle ground option.  But at the same time beggers can't be chosers.  We may have to face the fact that it may take a bit of getting out of the Championship, and just focus on that hurdle first.  I think Houghton could be a good choice actually, like someone said he did a good job with Newcastle in the PL as well as getting them out of the Championship.

[Dave]

I think Houghton could be a good choice actually, like someone said he did a good job with Newcastle in the PL as well as getting them out of the Championship.

Ray? Eric?

[Gregorys Boy]

I think Houghton could be a good choice actually, like someone said he did a good job with Newcastle in the PL as well as getting them out of the Championship.

Ray? Eric?

Well lets face it they'd both be better than what we've got!