The Mind Numbing Task of the Stoke City v Aston Villa (R) Post Match Thread.

[godzvilla]

In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achievable.

I beg to differ, clearly you have forgotten , or weren't around at the time but Villa were in shambolic state back in 1967, when the club was relegated from the first tier of English football for the third time . The board of directors resigned , under extreme pressure from the fans and the club was then relegated to the Third Division.
But something good eventually came out of all this, in 1974 Villa returned to the Second Division as champions , by 1974 Ron Saunders had been appointed manager and by 1975  had led the club back into the First Division and into European competition..
They say the darkest night is just before dawn, unfortunately we will have to wait at least a year before we see a new dawn....at least a year!......Godzvilla!

[auntiesledd]

The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde.  He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room.   Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.

O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders,  Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.

Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.

Agreed

Seconded

Thirded

Fourthed. Garde's been done up like the proverbial Kipper & has zero chance of managing this bunch of pathetically inadequate individuals successfully. Lerner is the disease at this club & all hope lies with somebody with something close to the ludicrous ransom demand to come to our rescue. I'm not holding my breath.

[auntiesledd]

Oh, and as for the capitulation yesterday? Quelle fecking surprise.

[Clampy]

In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.

What do you consider a reasonable price?

[pbavfckuwait]

This reference back to 67, football is a totally different game now, then with our reputation and ability to pull in decent size crowds,it was possible to close the gap very quickly, Man U , Spurs 71 final, we were still a massive club, we are on the way down this time with maggot size clubs ready to leave us far far behind, Stoke, Palace, West Wanky Albion, Leicester, West Ham, shall I go on.  big difference TV money end of.

[Ron Manager]

In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achievable.

I beg to differ, clearly you have forgotten , or weren't around at the time but Villa were in shambolic state back in 1967, when the club was relegated from the first tier of English football for the third time . The board of directors resigned , under extreme pressure from the fans and the club was then relegated to the Third Division.
But something good eventually came out of all this, in 1974 Villa returned to the Second Division as champions , by 1974 Ron Saunders had been appointed manager and by 1975  had led the club back into the First Division and into European competition..
They say the darkest night is just before dawn, unfortunately we will have to wait at least a year before we see a new dawn....at least a year!......Godzvilla!

My memory certainly does stretch back to the meeting at Digbeth Civil Hall which I attended and yes the club were in a dire state then. We were lucky that Pat Matthews bailed us out and installed Doug and The Doc to give us some hope. The difference being this time the owner does not look like going the playing staff are uniformly dreadful /difficult and with nobody apparently interested in buying us(unless you know something different) we are in a very black hole indeed.

[Ron Manager]

In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.

What do you consider a reasonable price?

One that might attract a serious bid.

[saunders_heroes]

In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.

What do you consider a reasonable price?

A price that would hurt Lerner in the pocket as painful as the hurt he's inflicted on this club for the past 6 years.

[clash city rocker]

Like others have said it was totally different in 1967. At that time it was like we had missed the bus but another one would be along in 5 minutes. Today it is more like we have missed Halley's comet.  It won't be back round for many a year.

[Cleybrooke]

Couple of things, the away support was awesome yesterday. My lads local team had some tickets to the left of the away fans and we created noise and atmosphere the entire day. A real credit.

After the game a mate hung around the players exit with a few other fans getting autographs. Two of players leaving the ground were challenged by the fans about their performance. The response "yea but we're still rich" as they got into their super cars.

And that's exactly what's wrong.

[saunders_heroes]

Couple of things, the away support was awesome yesterday. My lads local team had some tickets to the left of the away fans and we created noise and atmosphere the entire day. A real credit.

After the game a mate hung around the players exit with a few other fans getting autographs. Two of players leaving the ground were challenged by the fans about their performance. The response "yea but we're still rich" as they got into their super cars.

And that's exactly what's wrong.

Stuff like that doesn't bother me. If fans were abusing them then they can't complain if they get a little bit back. Footballers are only human too. Besides, they're not the root cause of Aston Villa's horrible decline.

[PeterWithesShin]

Why would the players be in their cars and not on the coach?

[saunders_heroes]

Why would the players be in their cars and not on the coach?

Yeah I thought that. I doubt if Villa players were allowed to turn up at Stoke in their cars.

[Gregorys Boy]

Couple of things, the away support was awesome yesterday. My lads local team had some tickets to the left of the away fans and we created noise and atmosphere the entire day. A real credit.

After the game a mate hung around the players exit with a few other fans getting autographs. Two of players leaving the ground were challenged by the fans about their performance. The response "yea but we're still rich" as they got into their super cars.

And that's exactly what's wrong.

Sounds like a made up story to me.  And this fans approaching players after games thing has to stop.  You wouldn't expect someone to do that to someone who has an office job and is performing badly, so don't do it to Footballers.  There are other more productive ways to go about it.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Watched the egg chasing, and glad I did too. Great afternoon in the pub watching a proper game with friends.

Nothing like the bunch of pussies who claim to be Villa players. What a disgrace.