The Mind Numbing Task of the Stoke City v Aston Villa (R) Post Match Thread.

[NorthYvillan]

The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde.  He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room.   Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.

O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders,  Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.

Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.

Agreed

[Clampy]

It was one of those games yesterday where the opposition were so mediocre, if we'd have given more of a shit, we could have got at least a point out of the game. We just didn't look interested.

[preston28]

It was one of those games yesterday where the opposition were so mediocre, if we'd have given more of a shit, we could have got at least a point out of the game. We just didn't look interested.

So our owners attitude has filtered down to the playing squad. Great!

[simboy]

The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde.  He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room.   Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.

O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders,  Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.

Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.

I agree with a lot of your points Brian, and as always you speak sense. But surely these bad eggs should be dropped?

And I know that's easier said than done,but we have players in the reserves/under 21's who,if good enough,should be playing.

We will never really know how good Garde is though will we? If he has any sense at all he will get out at the end of the season.

Hes had Sherwood's/the FIFA 16 best buys to manage for his part of the season.  He didn't have the gravitas to unite a disfunctional dressing room and thats been apparent on the pitch.

This bunch of players knew they were relegated whilst Media Tim was still manager. A missed opportunity to buy in January wasnt Garde's fault and merely confirmed to this squad and the manager that the people at the top had accepted relegation was an inevitability too.

To bring a promising couple of kids in from the U21's [if we have any?] could do them a lot more harm than good. Bad attitudes from senior players can last a long time.

[claret and blue blood]

Garde is telling it like it is, up to the Liverpool game he'd managed to get a tune out of them but up against some quality played last week we crumbled like the fragile structure we are.
Maybe the return of Agbonlahor to the match day dressing room has re-ignited the animosity toward Garde from the old lags or we really are that poor in terms of quality, however the frustration is clear to see on his face and any anger or stick should be aimed squarely at Lerner for fucking him and us over like no other owner ever has.
I will be there on Tuesday and my only hope is we all focus 100 percent on Lerner and while the game is on support the team.
Fuck Lerner I hate what he has done to our club.

[Salsa Party Animal]

If Remi Garde is going I would rather wait for him to clear out the players at the end of season first and then new manager got to buy new team and work with it without our overpaid crap.

What this comment about

Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow! ? Any evidence of Salma Hayek at the match as I love her in films

[pbavfckuwait]

Brian understand where you are coming from, my own view on Remi, I have never been sure, but whilst he continues to play Bacuna and Westwood week after week, he is losing me more and more each week.

I also do not like this self preservation mode that the players and the manager are going into, to the detriment of the club. The players we know are a bunch of self centered arse holes, but if Remi has been stitched up as bad as it appears, he should be able to walk out the door and say to Randy and his cronies, see you at the tribunal.

[Ron Manager]

In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.

[Chris Smith]

Sadly I wasn't there but reading this thread and the BBC match report one thing really, really irritates me- the following comment from Remi Garde:" we started the second half too poorly and when you are 2-0 down it is over".

With 36 minutes to go we are two goals down and the game is over? That is an awful attitude. A fortnight ago Sunderland came back from the same score with only 12 minutes to go at Liverpool, a much tougher task. I reckon Leicester got out of their predicament last season by virtue of attitude as much as ability, and I want our players to at least give their all for 90minutes in every game.

He is right though, we have struggled for goals all season and without Ayew we pose very little threat. Sunderland had Defoe, we've got Gabby.

All the huff and puff in the world counts for nought if you can't score goals.

[passport1]

A new owner and manager next season is the straw I am currently clutching at. If the club is not revitalised from top to bottom the outlook , in my opinion, is pretty bleak.

[The Edge]

Comfortably numb. Defeats don't even hurt anymore.

Genius !!!

[The Edge]

The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde.  He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room.   Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.

O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders,  Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.

Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.

Agreed
Seconded

[FatSam]

The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde.  He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room.   Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.

O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders,  Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.

Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.

Agreed

Seconded

Thirded

[TonyD]

New owner, players and manager please. 

[fredm]

I accept that we shouldn't throw several youngsters on to start a match, but surely putting one or two onto the pitch for the last 20 minutes or so is the way to go.  For one thing their sheer enthusiasm might bring a change in attitude from the others, and also maybe upset the opposition from its slumbers, and secondly it would raise the enthusiasm amongst the supporters who would surely get behind them and urge them on.