The Mind Numbing Task of the Stoke City v Aston Villa (R) Post Match Thread.

[kippaxvilla2]

Okore was really unlucky with those two superb efforts, that Bunn saved.

[Axl Rose]

Sadly I wasn't there but reading this thread and the BBC match report one thing really, really irritates me- the following comment from Remi Garde:" we started the second half too poorly and when you are 2-0 down it is over".

With 36 minutes to go we are two goals down and the game is over? That is an awful attitude. A fortnight ago Sunderland came back from the same score with only 12 minutes to go at Liverpool, a much tougher task. I reckon Leicester got out of their predicament last season by virtue of attitude as much as ability, and I want our players to at least give their all for 90minutes in every game.

Greetings Paul, I hope you're well mate.

I agree with you-very very poor from Garde. Yesterday was the first time I've started to go off him as a manager. The criticism of the squad, followed by the picking of the same team. It's extremely odd.

As soon as I see the team nowadays I feel nothing but rage and disappointment.

Okore and Lescott should never play again following their 'I dont owe Villa anything'/tweeting a Mercedes' cock ups.

Westwood and Bacuna....Westwood looks in permanent agony, whilst if I had my way Bacuna would be in permenent agony. That hair! The smug face! He makes my toes curl!

As for Agbonlahor-it's plain that he has been a ringleader in this season of woe. He must be awful to have around, face like thunder, no sense of humour. Club captain? Arsehole.

But ultimately, Garde picks them, so he can go on the list of people to blame. I won't be defending him anymore, and unless the future is him drastically changing the fortunes of the club, I won't be sad to see him go. No passion, no energy, and apparently, no clue.

[peter w]

It seems that Garde has thrown the towel in as have most of the players. That is unforgivable. Yes we know there's a lack of quality but its his job to make these players run through brick walls for the cause. We could take a team of players from a couple of divisions below and get more effort and probably more points from our remaining 12 games than from this lot which is a sad reflection on all. I agree that Garde is the right man at the wrong time but he's not prepared to roll up his sleeves and this is too much for him. To be fair to him I don't think he was aware of just how bad we were and how little we are getting from players who should be doing better, or at least applying themselves better. That we appear to be led by the dressing-room is another reason why we will struggle until there are wholesale changes. An immediate return his highly unlikely but not impossible. The right additions, and a new manager are important starts though. I won't mention the board and owner because that's just obvious.

[robbo1874]

Sadly I wasn't there but reading this thread and the BBC match report one thing really, really irritates me- the following comment from Remi Garde:" we started the second half too poorly and when you are 2-0 down it is over".

With 36 minutes to go we are two goals down and the game is over? That is an awful attitude. A fortnight ago Sunderland came back from the same score with only 12 minutes to go at Liverpool, a much tougher task. I reckon Leicester got out of their predicament last season by virtue of attitude as much as ability, and I want our players to at least give their all for 90minutes in every game.

Greetings Paul, I hope you're well mate.

I agree with you-very very poor from Garde. Yesterday was the first time I've started to go off him as a manager. The criticism of the squad, followed by the picking of the same team. It's extremely odd.

As soon as I see the team nowadays I feel nothing but rage and disappointment.

Okore and Lescott should never play again following their 'I dont owe Villa anything'/tweeting a Mercedes' cock ups.

Westwood and Bacuna....Westwood looks in permanent agony, whilst if I had my way Bacuna would be in permenent agony. That hair! The smug face! He makes my toes curl!

As for Agbonlahor-it's plain that he has been a ringleader in this season of woe. He must be awful to have around, face like thunder, no sense of humour. Club captain? Arsehole.

But ultimately, Garde picks them, so he can go on the list of people to blame. I won't be defending him anymore, and unless the future is him drastically changing the fortunes of the club, I won't be sad to see him go. No passion, no energy, and apparently, no clue.

hi Paulie- I'm with you and axl here- we're down- everyone knows it, but go out with some fight. Bunch of soft ******. They'd be absolutely crucified here in Australia, the players going out with a whimper.

[kippaxvilla2]

Let's face it Garde is not staying is he.  Just a matter of when not if in my view.

[peter w]

And that's part of the problem. He knows he's going and probably so do the players so the shrug of the shoulders is what passes for a team talk.

[Nelly]

If I were Garde and had to deal with a bunch of players who clearly don't give a shit, I'd call them out publicly too. I'd obviously give them a chance to play and show what they've got but if they consistently turn in rubbish, half arsed performances then f*ck them essentially. He can tell it like it is about the villa players for me.

[j66acd]

I'm actually numb to it now. I no longer  watch soccer am, I don't watch football focus. I have watched motd twice all year and now don't frequent any football sites other than this one. I haven't bought a shirt this season and haven't looked at going to a game since the the annual Christmas farce. Football banter amongst my mates had died because we are so fucking pathetic they can't even bring themselves to laugh at us. I am desperate for this to be over because its absolutely turgid supporting the villa at the moment. I'm now watching champions league obsessively and am really looking forward to the euros just because they have nothing to do with Aston Villa.
Roll on next year ey lads?

That is me in and nutshell and I'll add that I've started watching Wasps at the Ricoh. That's how bad it is, I'd rather go to Coventry.

[pbavfckuwait]

Our expectations have been managed to such a low level, we do not expect to win games anymore, all we want to see is a bit of effort, you know that thing that should be a minimum expectation of any professional footballer representing the club that pays him obscene amounts of money each week.

But what ever you do , do not boo the players as this will effect their fragile egos and make them worse, if I ran up and down the pitch next to Westwood and Bacuna and spent 90 minutes booing and abusing in their ear holes, could they become any worse.

Lets not blame the manager as this is the hand he has been dealt, but he is proving not fit for purpose, as he states on his CV that he is a qualified professional manager of a football club, but there is no apparent improvement in the bunch he works with all day and god forbid we put the kids into this situation, rather than the lazy overpaid time served professionals.

Skills can be honed and improved, fitness can be worked on, but attitude and professionalism is something that has to be installed and if not being shown action taken. Westwood and Bacuna have little of any of the above, Richards the same, Gabby the same and on yesterdays showing the likes of Veretout, Okore also looks totally shot.

The total shit storm is very much in evidence at Villa park and anyone who thinks this is gonna end sometime soon by the great achievement of relegation, but while the majority of these poisonous arseholes will still be here come August, I feel are in for even more dissapointment.

Tuesday night they should be given dogs abuse, including Remi, this is Aston Villa not some experiment, or a place to air your personal grievances, whether that be by the players to the manager or the manager to the board, what about proving a point to the supporters, fuck the lot of them.

[clash city rocker]

I must confess I wish Bacuna would put a bucket over his head as for some reason just the sight of his face annoys me. Don't know what it is but it just does fuckin annoy me.

[mr underhill]

and he plays like he has buckets on his feet

[Axl Rose]

Our expectations have been managed to such a low level, we do not expect to win games anymore, all we want to see is a bit of effort, you know that thing that should be a minimum expectation of any professional footballer representing the club that pays him obscene amounts of money each week.

But what ever you do , do not boo the players as this will effect their fragile egos and make them worse, if I ran up and down the pitch next to Westwood and Bacuna and spent 90 minutes booing and abusing in their ear holes, could they become any worse.

Lets not blame the manager as this is the hand he has been dealt, but he is proving not fit for purpose, as he states on his CV that he is a qualified professional manager of a football club, but there is no apparent improvement in the bunch he works with all day and god forbid we put the kids into this situation, rather than the lazy overpaid time served professionals.

Skills can be honed and improved, fitness can be worked on, but attitude and professionalism is something that has to be installed and if not being shown action taken. Westwood and Bacuna have little of any of the above, Richards the same, Gabby the same and on yesterdays showing the likes of Veretout, Okore also looks totally shot.

The total shit storm is very much in evidence at Villa park and anyone who thinks this is gonna end sometime soon by the great achievement of relegation, but while the majority of these poisonous arseholes will still be here come August, I feel are in for even more dissapointment.

Tuesday night they should be given dogs abuse, including Remi, this is Aston Villa not some experiment, or a place to air your personal grievances, whether that be by the players to the manager or the manager to the board, what about proving a point to the supporters, fuck the lot of them.

Spot on. They deserve pelters, I'm sick of the site of their timid little ugky faces,lack of skill,speed,everything. I hate the majority of them. I feel like just abusing them, rather than support tjrm. I'm bored of supporting them.

Remi deserves dogs abuse too now. A well spoken weed.

[brian green]

The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde.  He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room.   Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.

O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders,  Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.

Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.

[Vegas]

Well said Brian. Unfortunately, most of the players in your "shit stirrers" list could also appear in your other list.

I'm at about 6/10 on Garde - he's clearly not to blame, but I would like more of an effort to change things round and motivate the players, notwithstanding the crap hand he's been dealt.

[Axl Rose]

The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde.  He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room.   Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.

O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders,  Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.

Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.

I agree with a lot of your points Brian, and as always you speak sense. But surely these bad eggs should be dropped?

And I know that's easier said than done,but we have players in the reserves/under 21's who,if good enough,should be playing.