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[stuart445]

1) The Liverpool was a marketing exercise, they were never going to charge £77 they did it to get a reaction which they did, they then announced they weren't going to do that so now the fans will buy more stuff from the club because they feel the club have given them something.

Of course it was organised by the marketing brains at Liverpool!

Its simple marketing really put something out there to annoy, Liverpool fans then protested then the Liverpool board backed down. Now the Liverpool fans feel the club have listened and will be more open to spending their money. What made it obvious was how fast they changed their mind after 1 protest.

[Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle]

5, 4, 3, 2
I'm a better supporter than you

Sheep, goat, donkey, cow,
I'm a better supporter than yow

Horse, rabbit, red setter
I'm going to write an open letter.

[Dave]

1) The Liverpool was a marketing exercise, they were never going to charge £77 they did it to get a reaction which they did, they then announced they weren't going to do that so now the fans will buy more stuff from the club because they feel the club have given them something.

If you read the FSG statement, they're not really even giving them anything. They're giving themselves an excuse not to spend money.

“… we have been driven solely by the desire to return LFC to the pinnacle of football. In the world of modern football, growing the club in a sustainable way is essential to realising this objective... A great many of you have objected strongly to the £77 price level of our most expensive GA seats and expressed a clear expectation that the club should forego any increased revenue from raising prices on GA tickets in the current environment”

Cue three years down the line with Liverpool still mid-table and the owners not spending as much as Man City or Bristol Rovers: "you guys told us that you wanted it this way"

[Jimbo]

Step back and look at it without emotion

Impossible.

Just because Lerner doesn't give a shit about how we feel doesn't mean we shouldn't remind him of it. Is there such a thing as pointless protest anyway? it's people showing their feelings. Anyway, it's either Lerner getting it from both barrels or Garde. Somebody will be on the end of some dogs' abuse once relegation is confirmed. Will solve nothing but might help a few dozen, hundred, thousand Villa fans let off some steam after being taken for absolute mugs for the last few years

Again read what you are saying. We are protesting to try and get an owner of a limited company who wants to sell to sell. For example if you put your house up for sale if you don't get any offers then you can't sell your house.

No, you make your house more attractive for sale, whether that's lowering the price or tarting it up.

What about the fact the club had given up and accepted relegation by January? Should we also just let that pass without a whimper?

As Chico says, whether it's organised and peaceful, or otherwise, there will doubtless be some letting off of steam to come.

[Des Little]

The fact that we aren't very saleable is a separate issue, and I agree that a protest against that is pretty futile.  The fact that the board gave up on survival with 4 nof the season left to play is far from futile. 

[Chico Hamilton III]

Step back and look at it without emotion

Impossible.

Just because Lerner doesn't give a shit about how we feel doesn't mean we shouldn't remind him of it. Is there such a thing as pointless protest anyway? it's people showing their feelings. Anyway, it's either Lerner getting it from both barrels or Garde. Somebody will be on the end of some dogs' abuse once relegation is confirmed. Will solve nothing but might help a few dozen, hundred, thousand Villa fans let off some steam after being taken for absolute mugs for the last few years

Again read what you are saying. We are protesting to try and get an owner of a limited company who wants to sell to sell. For example if you put your house up for sale if you don't get any offers then you can't sell your house.

No, you read what I'm saying. I don't give a shit about what our legal entity is or whether Lerner wants to sell, I just want to let him know what an absolute twat I think he is.

[achilles]

I am absolutely sick to death about people saying that Lerner wants to sell the club!
Does he REALLY want to sell the club? Obviously if he gets a ridiculous offer and it passes due diligence (miracles do happen) the he MIGHT sell! Lerner put the club up for sale in May 2014, coming up to 2 years ago and in that time he has not managed to sell it... why?
It is the same as me saying I want to sell my house, do I really want to sell it, I might do if I got a ridiculous offer then again I might just enjoy pissing people off!

Doing nothing achieves nothing, just don’t moan about it!

[KevinGage]

Lerner seems to vacillate between wanting to sell and not 'being a motivated seller,' so how does stuart 445 or anyone else know what he wants to do this month?

He was attracted by the price Fulham went for in 2013, but we are unlikely to go for anywhere near £200 million.

The appeals of Dancing with the Shunammite seemed to wane after our cup run last year, and it has been mentioned elsewhere that a buy out was close in the summer, only for Lerner himself to pull the plug.

There is genuinely wanting out and then there is the Bill Kenwright version of wanting to sell, which means remaining in place until the next Ice Age.

[pauliewalnuts]

I am absolutely sick to death about people saying that Lerner wants to sell the club!
Does he REALLY want to sell the club? Obviously if he gets a ridiculous offer and it passes due diligence (miracles do happen) the he MIGHT sell! Lerner put the club up for sale in May 2014, coming up to 2 years ago and in that time he has not managed to sell it... why?
It is the same as me saying I want to sell my house, do I really want to sell it, I might do if I got a ridiculous offer then again I might just enjoy pissing people off!

Doing nothing achieves nothing, just don’t moan about it!

I am no Lerner apologist, but going by the above, surely he can't win?

If it is like you selling your house, then it's like you having instructed an estate agent, having a board outside, and waiting for someone to make an offer.

There's a difference between him wanting to sell and accepting any old offer. To use your estate agent example again, that's like you putting your house on the market, me offering you four cans of Kestrel and a packet of digestive biscuits, and then complaining when you say no.

[DaveD]

Yes, but by the same token, not mowing the lawn for five years , grime on the windows, mould in the fridge and dirty pants on the bedroom floor isn't going to do you any favours.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Yes, but by the same token, not mowing the lawn for five years , grime on the windows, mould in the fridge and dirty pants on the bedroom floor isn't going to do you any favours.

Don't forget the sitting tenants, all earning thousands per week and refusing to vacate the building.

And the neighbours bring down the value

[Jimbo]

You'd think they'd be queuing up to buy. After all, you can get away with any old shit here and nobody will so much as cough impolitely within a mile's radius.

[amfy]

Amfy, there really is no need for a clear specific aim. It's enough for paying fans to say, 'you're wrecking our club and we want it to stop.'

It would be a strop if this were just one season. It's five. Villa fans have every right to make their feelings known, because nobody else is on our side as one look at the local or national media will demonstrate.

[eamonn]

We're not really going to be overtaken by Bristol Rovers, are we?

[amfy]

Amfy, there really is no need for a clear specific aim. It's enough for paying fans to say, 'you're wrecking our club and we want it to stop.'

It would be a strop if this were just one season. It's five. Villa fans have every right to make their feelings known, because nobody else is on our side as one look at the local or national media will demonstrate.

Of course we do.

I just personally think a protest should be better thought out than this, so I won't be joining it.

Despite having a bit of a thing about early leavers at the best of times, I have no problem with those that join this, as long as that respect goes both ways.

I'll be staying, not out of apathy or lethargy which are some of the more polite things that have been said about those of us that don't want to take part, but because it's how I support Villa, & what feels right for me.

It's one thing for us not to agree on how to act, but fans need to respect how each other respond to times like these.