AGM - Protest

[amfy]

Of course we are not already relegated, but there is no-one who can't admit that the situation RIGHT NOW is that it it more than likely that we will be. We could sign Messi and he probably couldn't save us.

Spending the kind of money it will take to get anyone who might improve us to come right now, would be suicidal, and far more likely to end up with a Bolton situation. It is not 'throwing in the towel' to say that whether we end up in The Championship, or survive, we become a more attractive destination for the type of players we will need in the summer than we are now.

Do we have the baliffs knocking on the door looking to take away the furniture or something?
The reason we're not spending isn't because of the reasons the sly Fox comes out with, it's because the owner has washed his hands of the club. They're not protecting is for next season at all in my opinion and I don't trust them to invest sufficiently to get us back up next year either (if we go down).
What makes you so confident they're trying to secure our future?

The books are open at companies house.

We continue to be a loss making club, and Lerner has had to continue to put his own money in to prop us up.

If we go down, we will lose a lot of revenue, we cannot afford to be giving out more daft contracts. That is not to say we will not spend, but that it is foolish at this stage to start waving mega bucks under the noses of the average mercenaries looking for a last big payday. We have just nearly got to the end of clearing those kind of dickheads out.

If we can get the right players at the right price, I believe we will.

As for buying Championship players now - what if the miracle does happen? I think they are dead right to believe that the summer is a better time for us to spend. We will know what we are buying for, & how much money we have, as well as being more attractive to our potential targets.

[German James]

Win a couple of games on the spin and we could be right back in the mix again, yet our owners don't seem to think releasing a bit of money could help us stay up. This is unforgivable in my opinion.

I genuinely don't know who you think would come.

[Villa in Denmark]

Ayew is hit and miss even though he seems to be one of the better ones.

Oh, so it is possible after all to say that some things are better than others?

You trying to back up Denmark's suggestion that we've had bright spots this season, because I'm not going to agree with that, you know that don't you? It's been bloody woeful and well you know it.

It's very flattering that you think I speak on behalf of a sovereign state, and the world's oldest direct line of descent monarchy, but I personally wouldn't be that presumptuous. Added to which I don't think more than a few hundred out of a population of 6M would actually give a shit.

Hmm, that's probably another indication of how low we've fallen.

[aj2k77]

As for being a tired, old, brand.... how many people were saying that in 2010?

That's the problem with football - You are only as good as your results and unless you are Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea the notion of brand is a misnomer.

And our results have been left to slide like the rest of the club because our owner pulled away from his responsibilities. We haven't become a tired, old club at all. We've become a terribly mismanaged and neglected club. 6 years ago, people were raving about us, young, attacking players blah blah. Now were a butt of jokes. We haven't expected anything, other than the attention and professionalism this club deserves, which we haven't received.

[saunders_heroes]

Win a couple of games on the spin and we could be right back in the mix again, yet our owners don't seem to think releasing a bit of money could help us stay up. This is unforgivable in my opinion.

I genuinely don't know who you think would come.

I think we employ people to acquire players. Well I'd hope we do anyway.

[aj2k77]

It's hard to reasonably argue that the new signings and Okore have been bright spots this season when we have 12 points and are 10 from safety. The table doesn't really lie does it. We've looked poor all across the park and a lot of people are showing a lot of goodwill and giving a grace period to the new players, because they are young and adapting to a different league. By and large though they haven't been very good. The results tell the truth of the matter.

In a sea of black, anything that's a shade of grey is a bright spot.

Players looking like they were worth the money we paid for them isn't better than them looking as hopeless as Agbonlahor or s_h's latest hero N'Zogbia?  And I'm deluded?

It's been a very, very dull bright spot in that case. I get what everyone is saying but the football has been atrocious and that includes on the whole the performances of the newer guys. If Hollis claim that we spent £23m net, which I don't believe, is true, then for £70m we've gotten a terrible deal with what we signed.

[saunders_heroes]

As for being a tired, old, brand.... how many people were saying that in 2010?

That's the problem with football - You are only as good as your results and unless you are Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea the notion of brand is a misnomer.

And our results have been left to slide like the rest of the club because our owner pulled away from his responsibilities. We haven't become a tired, old club at all. We've become a terribly mismanaged and neglected club. 6 years ago, people were raving about us, young, attacking players blah blah. Now were a butt of jokes. We haven't expected anything, other than the attention and professionalism this club deserves, which we haven't received.

Ain't that the truth. And after 6 years of it we still have fans sticking up for them.

[Villa in Denmark]

Ayew is hit and miss even though he seems to be one of the better ones.

Oh, so it is possible after all to say that some things are better than others?

You trying to back up Denmark's suggestion that we've had bright spots this season, because I'm not going to agree with that, you know that don't you? It's been bloody woeful and well you know it.

Surely you can see that brighter isn't the same as bright, can't you?

If you're in a dark room and you switch your phone on, that makes it brighter, not bright.

Ayew is one of the brighter points of the season. As is Veretout, as are Lescott and Gana recently. As was Amavi earlier.

If you're going to argue points that people haven't made, then it's probably a bit of a waste of your time.

When the season started I actually liked the look of Amavi, but as the weeks went by he seemed to get worse which made me think he wasn't as good as I thought he was.
Anyway, the only bright spot I can think of is that we're not actually relegated yet (most on here seem to have given up on that one), and there still loads of games left. Win a couple of games on the spin and we could be right back in the mix again, yet our owners don't seem to think releasing a bit of money could help us stay up. This is unforgivable in my opinion.

Or maybe, Amavi, like Bertrand before him, came in playing like he normally does and got ground down by whatever the hell is going on at Bodymoor Heath.

Unless you thing that Bertrand arrived as a good player, because he came from Chelsea as Proper Premier League Player on Proper Premier League Wages. Then he gradually turned to shit for us because the portion of his wages we were paying weren't Proper Premier League Wages. Then he went to Southampton and was good again because they'd paid a Proper Premier League Player's Fee and were paying him Proper Premier League Wages again?

[Villa in Denmark]

Oh and whilst your actually interacting with me despite previously calling me odd, pathetic and swearing you'd never acknowledge my existence again is there any chance that you could actually be arsed enough to defend your usual standpoint and answer this question which you'v been ignoring since the end of November?

I'm behind you 100% with your anti Lerner stance but I still don't think we'll go down.

I've asked you this before, but I'll try again.
How much do you think Lerner should have continued to invest, bearing that the current tab is north of £250M?

Background info before answering.

1. Abramovich, a man who's worth around 10 times Lerner's personal net worth, put the best part of £1 billion into Chelsea over a 10 year period before pretty much calling a halt.  They still spend plenty "net" but it's almost all covered by CL and associated TV income.

2. The Mansoors, who to all intents and purposes have limitless wealth,  put the best part of £1.2 billion into Man City over a 5-6 year period before reigning in the chequebook. Again they spend plenty "net"  but it's almost all covered by CL and associated TV income.

3. "Enough" or similar isn't an answer. A number be it £1 or £10 billion or anywhere in between.

Any chance of an answer?

[Marlon From Bearwood]

A few of Fox's comments were baffling and worrying:

Remi is happy with the quality of the squad (really?)

If we go down we need to make sure we keep the squad together (I was hoping for the exact opposite personally).

This is the squad that was 2-0 up against Leicester (FFS! How many points do you get for leading a game 2-0 and then losing 3-2?!).

[saunders_heroes]

A few of Fox's comments were baffling and worrying:

Remi is happy with the quality of the squad (really?)

If we go down we need to make sure we keep the squad together (I was hoping for the exact opposite personally).

This is the squad that was 2-0 up against Leicester (FFS! How many points do you get for leading a game 2-0 and then losing 3-2?!).

Yep, he actually said those words.
He must think we were all born yesterday to suggest Garde is happy with that squad, and how he kept a straight face when he was boasting about 2-0 up at Leicester is beyond me. Fox is a joker.

[Dave]

Oh and whilst your actually interacting with me despite previously calling me odd, pathetic and swearing you'd never acknowledge my existence again is there any chance that you could actually be arsed enough to defend your usual standpoint and answer this question which you'v been ignoring since the end of November?

I'm behind you 100% with your anti Lerner stance but I still don't think we'll go down.

I've asked you this before, but I'll try again.
How much do you think Lerner should have continued to invest, bearing that the current tab is north of £250M?

Background info before answering.

1. Abramovich, a man who's worth around 10 times Lerner's personal net worth, put the best part of £1 billion into Chelsea over a 10 year period before pretty much calling a halt.  They still spend plenty "net" but it's almost all covered by CL and associated TV income.

2. The Mansoors, who to all intents and purposes have limitless wealth,  put the best part of £1.2 billion into Man City over a 5-6 year period before reigning in the chequebook. Again they spend plenty "net"  but it's almost all covered by CL and associated TV income.

3. "Enough" or similar isn't an answer. A number be it £1 or £10 billion or anywhere in between.

Any chance of an answer?

To be fair, if he doesn't want to answer he's under no obligation to.

I don't think continually bringing it up is going to change that.

[Villa in Denmark]

A few of Fox's comments were baffling and worrying:

Remi is happy with the quality of the squad (really?)

If we go down we need to make sure we keep the squad together (I was hoping for the exact opposite personally).

This is the squad that was 2-0 up against Leicester (FFS! How many points do you get for leading a game 2-0 and then losing 3-2?!).

Yep, he actually said those words.
He must think we were all born yesterday to suggest Garde is happy with that squad, and how he kept a straight face when he was boasting about 2-0 up at Leicester is beyond me. Fox is a joker.

So who are you then? The Penguin or Catwoman?

[aj2k77]

The 2-0 up against Leicester is turning in to the 3-1 when we beat Liverpool before going on that horrendous run a few seasons ago. The exception, rather than the norm.

I think Remi is just trying to keep spirits up anyway, he knows very few new recruits will be joining of any substance, if any. He has got what he has got and has to work the miracle with Westwood, Richardson, Bacuna et al. It's better than him doing a Tim and announcing we are facked. He said this morning he Is thinking hard on how to maximise what we have.

[Villa in Denmark]

Oh and whilst your actually interacting with me despite previously calling me odd, pathetic and swearing you'd never acknowledge my existence again is there any chance that you could actually be arsed enough to defend your usual standpoint and answer this question which you'v been ignoring since the end of November?

I'm behind you 100% with your anti Lerner stance but I still don't think we'll go down.

I've asked you this before, but I'll try again.
How much do you think Lerner should have continued to invest, bearing that the current tab is north of £250M?

Background info before answering.

1. Abramovich, a man who's worth around 10 times Lerner's personal net worth, put the best part of £1 billion into Chelsea over a 10 year period before pretty much calling a halt.  They still spend plenty "net" but it's almost all covered by CL and associated TV income.

2. The Mansoors, who to all intents and purposes have limitless wealth,  put the best part of £1.2 billion into Man City over a 5-6 year period before reigning in the chequebook. Again they spend plenty "net"  but it's almost all covered by CL and associated TV income.

3. "Enough" or similar isn't an answer. A number be it £1 or £10 billion or anywhere in between.

Any chance of an answer?

To be fair, if he doesn't want to answer he's under no obligation to.

I don't think continually bringing it up is going to change that.

Fair enough.

It just sticks in the craw that he'll keep on with the same old line, but refuse to answer what shouldn't actually be that difficult a question that would better explain his point of view.

Of course constantly avoiding a question does tend to suggest that the non-respondent maybe doesn't like the answer.