AGM - Protest

[saunders_heroes]

Ayew is hit and miss even though he seems to be one of the better ones.

Oh, so it is possible after all to say that some things are better than others?

You trying to back up Denmark's suggestion that we've had bright spots this season, because I'm not going to agree with that, you know that don't you? It's been bloody woeful and well you know it.

[saunders_heroes]

What you also have to do is consider whether the ransom prices that you pay for players to "save" us actually will deliver improvement.
Bringing in players for the sake of it is no substitute for cool headed good judgement. As another poster put it very pithily, it could be like buying an expensive steak then boiling it and putting it into a trifle.

Yeah, let's wave the white flag then.

[Villa in Denmark]

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[passitsideways]

What you also have to do is consider whether the ransom prices that you pay for players to "save" us actually will deliver improvement.
Bringing in players for the sake of it is no substitute for cool headed good judgement. As another poster put it very pithily, it could be like buying an expensive steak then boiling it and putting it into a trifle.

Yeah, let's wave the white flag then.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes like you do.

[aj2k77]

It's hard to reasonably argue that the new signings and Okore have been bright spots this season when we have 12 points and are 10 from safety. The table doesn't really lie does it. We've looked poor all across the park and a lot of people are showing a lot of goodwill and giving a grace period to the new players, because they are young and adapting to a different league. By and large though they haven't been very good. The results tell the truth of the matter.

[NeilH]

What you also have to do is consider whether the ransom prices that you pay for players to "save" us actually will deliver improvement.
Bringing in players for the sake of it is no substitute for cool headed good judgement. As another poster put it very pithily, it could be like buying an expensive steak then boiling it and putting it into a trifle.

Yeah, let's wave the white flag then.

Its not about waving the flag, its about accepting that the risk is too high to warrant a spending spree such as Newcastle. If we plan right now, we will bounce back at the first attempt.

[aj2k77]

As for being a tired, old, brand.... how many people were saying that in 2010?

[saunders_heroes]

It's hard to reasonably argue that the new signings and Okore have been bright spots this season when we have 12 points and are 10 from safety. The table doesn't really lie does it. We've looked poor all across the park and a lot of people are showing a lot of goodwill and giving a grace period to the new players, because they are young and adapting to a different league. By and large though they haven't been very good. The results tell the truth of the matter.

Indeed they do, but let's not focus on the negative, let's focus on the bright spots...
Erm...

[Villa in Denmark]

Oh and whilst your actually interacting with me despite previously calling me odd, pathetic and swearing you'd never acknowledge my existence again is there any chance that you could actually be arsed enough to defend your usual standpoint and answer this question which you'v been ignoring since the end of November?

I'm behind you 100% with your anti Lerner stance but I still don't think we'll go down.

I've asked you this before, but I'll try again.
How much do you think Lerner should have continued to invest, bearing that the current tab is north of £250M?

Background info before answering.

1. Abramovich, a man who's worth around 10 times Lerner's personal net worth, put the best part of £1 billion into Chelsea over a 10 year period before pretty much calling a halt.  They still spend plenty "net" but it's almost all covered by CL and associated TV income.

2. The Mansoors, who to all intents and purposes have limitless wealth,  put the best part of £1.2 billion into Man City over a 5-6 year period before reigning in the chequebook. Again they spend plenty "net"  but it's almost all covered by CL and associated TV income.

3. "Enough" or similar isn't an answer. A number be it £1 or £10 billion or anywhere in between.

[saunders_heroes]

What you also have to do is consider whether the ransom prices that you pay for players to "save" us actually will deliver improvement.
Bringing in players for the sake of it is no substitute for cool headed good judgement. As another poster put it very pithily, it could be like buying an expensive steak then boiling it and putting it into a trifle.

Yeah, let's wave the white flag then.

Its not about waving the flag, its about accepting that the risk is too high to warrant a spending spree such as Newcastle. If we plan right now, we will bounce back at the first attempt.

Will we? Do you really trust Lerner's Villa to get us straight back up on the basis that we're keep our pennies in our pocket in January to save for the summer? Really?

[Dave]

Ayew is hit and miss even though he seems to be one of the better ones.

Oh, so it is possible after all to say that some things are better than others?

You trying to back up Denmark's suggestion that we've had bright spots this season, because I'm not going to agree with that, you know that don't you? It's been bloody woeful and well you know it.

Surely you can see that brighter isn't the same as bright, can't you?

If you're in a dark room and you switch your phone on, that makes it brighter, not bright.

Ayew is one of the brighter points of the season. As is Veretout, as are Lescott and Gana recently. As was Amavi earlier.

If you're going to argue points that people haven't made, then it's probably a bit of a waste of your time.

[NeilH]

As for being a tired, old, brand.... how many people were saying that in 2010?

That's the problem with football - You are only as good as your results and unless you are Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea the notion of brand is a misnomer.

[NeilH]

What you also have to do is consider whether the ransom prices that you pay for players to "save" us actually will deliver improvement.
Bringing in players for the sake of it is no substitute for cool headed good judgement. As another poster put it very pithily, it could be like buying an expensive steak then boiling it and putting it into a trifle.

Yeah, let's wave the white flag then.

Its not about waving the flag, its about accepting that the risk is too high to warrant a spending spree such as Newcastle. If we plan right now, we will bounce back at the first attempt.

Will we? Do you really trust Lerner's Villa to get us straight back up on the basis that we're keep our pennies in our pocket in January to save for the summer? Really?

I am happy to wait and see what Hollis does over the course of the next few months. He is, at least, accepting that we are well and truly up shit creek this season and we need to prepare for next year.
If he is allowed to make the structural changes we need, then yes I believe we will bounce straight back.

[Villa in Denmark]

It's hard to reasonably argue that the new signings and Okore have been bright spots this season when we have 12 points and are 10 from safety. The table doesn't really lie does it. We've looked poor all across the park and a lot of people are showing a lot of goodwill and giving a grace period to the new players, because they are young and adapting to a different league. By and large though they haven't been very good. The results tell the truth of the matter.

In a sea of black, anything that's a shade of grey is a bright spot.

Players looking like they were worth the money we paid for them isn't better than them looking as hopeless as Agbonlahor or s_h's latest hero N'Zogbia?  And I'm deluded?

[saunders_heroes]

Ayew is hit and miss even though he seems to be one of the better ones.

Oh, so it is possible after all to say that some things are better than others?

You trying to back up Denmark's suggestion that we've had bright spots this season, because I'm not going to agree with that, you know that don't you? It's been bloody woeful and well you know it.

Surely you can see that brighter isn't the same as bright, can't you?

If you're in a dark room and you switch your phone on, that makes it brighter, not bright.

Ayew is one of the brighter points of the season. As is Veretout, as are Lescott and Gana recently. As was Amavi earlier.

If you're going to argue points that people haven't made, then it's probably a bit of a waste of your time.

When the season started I actually liked the look of Amavi, but as the weeks went by he seemed to get worse which made me think he wasn't as good as I thought he was.
Anyway, the only bright spot I can think of is that we're not actually relegated yet (most on here seem to have given up on that one), and there still loads of games left. Win a couple of games on the spin and we could be right back in the mix again, yet our owners don't seem to think releasing a bit of money could help us stay up. This is unforgivable in my opinion.