AGM - Protest

[saunders_heroes]

Well you said "indeed" when I said you seem delighted to be able to say it.

Now 4th time lucky, how about what I actually said and asked that you keep avoiding?

Im not delighted no matter how may times to repeat it. I hate the state of the club that Lerner has turned us into. What is it your claiming I'm avoiding again?

[PeterWithesShin]

Well you said "indeed" when I said you seem delighted to be able to say it.

Now 4th time lucky, how about what I actually said and asked that you keep avoiding?

Im not delighted no matter how may times to repeat it. I hate the state of the club that Lerner has turned us into. What is it your claiming I'm avoiding again?

The big difference between Lerner and Ellis is, some people wanted Ellis out, he had no intention of leaving, so they protested. Some people want Lerner out, so does he. So what does a protest achieve? Sing "we want Lerner out" and he'll join in.

Even if it achieves nothing the fans still have pride in their club. Better than just sitting there doing nothing.

Surely though by waiting for someone else to do it, you are doing nothing? I'm doing nothing because I feel a protest is pointless as it won't achieve anything. If I wanted to protest though, i'd try and organise one or at least be trying to be in contact with those that can help organise it, although with social media it's not difficult to spread the word these days.

[saunders_heroes]

Why should the fact that   that Lerner has made it public knowledge that he wants to sell the club make him immune from demonstrations against his brand of "leadership" ?

For me it's irrelevant that he wants to sell.

He bought us , that  was his decision and we are his responsibility until he sells.

The man is a multi  millionaire and he could use that wealth to make us a genuine force, instead he  chooses austerity for Aston Villa while he leads a lifestyle of champagne and oysters in the  USA .

It's beyond a joke, we know they wouldn't tolerate this at Liverpool and we shouldn't tolerate it here.

My view is that any protest  shouldn't be about "Lerner Out" it should be about getting him back here actually talking to the supporters explaining what he proposes to do and basically  facing up to his responsibilities.

The wall of silence from him in the current situation is totally unacceptable.
     

Agreed. He owns us lock stock and barrel, and just because he's let it known he wants to sell doesn't mean he should wash his hands of all responsibility. He talked of being a custodian when he bought us yet he has humiliated the club left right and centre. The fans have every right to protest at his sabotage of the club.

[PeterWithesShin]

And no one has said you don't have the right, no one has tried to stop you protesting as far as I can tell. So organise it and protest as much as you want.

[KevinGage]

There's actively wanting out and being receptive to the right offer. 

I heard mentioned recently that a deal had been agreed in the summer but Lerner pulled the plug.  He had earlier said that there was interest in buying the club from all four corners of the globe.

So I don't think it is a case of him wanting out and no sinner being interested. more that nobody is prepared to buy the club for close to the £200 million that Fulham went for in 2013.

[saunders_heroes]

Well you said "indeed" when I said you seem delighted to be able to say it.

Now 4th time lucky, how about what I actually said and asked that you keep avoiding?

Im not delighted no matter how may times to repeat it. I hate the state of the club that Lerner has turned us into. What is it your claiming I'm avoiding again?

The big difference between Lerner and Ellis is, some people wanted Ellis out, he had no intention of leaving, so they protested. Some people want Lerner out, so does he. So what does a protest achieve? Sing "we want Lerner out" and he'll join in.

Even if it achieves nothing the fans still have pride in their club. Better than just sitting there doing nothing.

Surely though by waiting for someone else to do it, you are doing nothing? I'm doing nothing because I feel a protest is pointless as it won't achieve anything. If I wanted to protest though, i'd try and organise one or at least be trying to be in contact with those that can help organise it, although with social media it's not difficult to spread the word these days.

I answered that earlier. When you were dancing with delight at Lerner's latest PR stunt and actively defending him from any fan that dared criticise him on here I was calling him out for the shyster he clearly was and is to this day.  That's a protest of sort. I've done my very best to call him out at every home game but despite that I'm not a high profile fan unlike others on here. Perhaps you should look yourself in the eye and ask what you have done as a contributer to the only independent Villa fanzine out there. What questions of the owner have you asked over the last 5 years of humiliating decline at Aston Villa? If I remember rightly you haven't questioned Lerner and the part he's played in our horrible decline. In fact you defend him. What do you say to that?

[dave.woodhall]

I answered that earlier. When you were dancing with delight at Lerner's latest PR stunt and actively defending him from any fan that dared criticise him on here I was calling him out for the shyster he clearly was and is to this day.  That's a protest of sort. I've done my very best to call him out at every home game but despite that I'm not a high profile fan unlike others on here. Perhaps you should look yourself in the eye and ask what you have done as a contributer to the only independent Villa fanzine out there. What questions of the owner have you asked over the last 5 years of humiliating decline at Aston Villa? If I remember rightly you haven't questioned Lerner and the part he's played in our horrible decline. In fact you defend him. What do you say to that?

PWS is not an H&V contributor.

[tomd2103]

Why should the fact that   that Lerner has made it public knowledge that he wants to sell the club make him immune from demonstrations against his brand of "leadership" ?

For me it's irrelevant that he wants to sell.

He bought us , that  was his decision and we are his responsibility until he sells.

The man is a multi  millionaire and he could use that wealth to make us a genuine force, instead he  chooses austerity for Aston Villa while he leads a lifestyle of champagne and oysters in the  USA .

It's beyond a joke, we know they wouldn't tolerate this at Liverpool and we shouldn't tolerate it here.

My view is that any protest  shouldn't be about "Lerner Out" it should be about getting him back here actually talking to the supporters explaining what he proposes to do and basically  facing up to his responsibilities.

The wall of silence from him in the current situation is totally unacceptable.
     

Agreed. He owns us lock stock and barrel, and just because he's let it known he wants to sell doesn't mean he should wash his hands of all responsibility. He talked of being a custodian when he bought us yet he has humiliated the club left right and centre. The fans have every right to protest at his sabotage of the club.

I think part of the problem is that we're not enough of a national concern for this to be national news and debated on national radio stations and in papers etc.  On a local level, the local media seem reluctant to have a real go, probably fearful of suffering the same fate as Mat Kendrick when he did.  The only ex-player seemingly willing to have a go is Collymore, but then that smacks as a touch of sour grapes after what happened to him. 

[PeterWithesShin]

I've asked plenty at the SCGs, how many have you gone to? I've spoken at fair length to Faulkner face to face at a separate meeting when he was here. And trust me, or don't knowing you, but it was hardly "isn't it wonderful, isn't randy great" etc. Difference between us is I actually try and do something rather than just wait for someone else to do it for me.

As for being high profile, I wasn't, and am not, high profile in any way shape or form. Still got the 19th minute done because I wanted it done so did it. And as I said, I asked other for help to get it done.

[saunders_heroes]

There's no sour grapes with Collymore. His criticisms of Villa didn't just start with him no longer contributing to the News and Record.

[PeterWithesShin]

To add to what Dave said, i've never had anything published in H&V, main reason being i've never sent anything in.

[dave.woodhall]

I can't think of anyone worse to lead a protest than Stan Collymore.

[saunders_heroes]

I've asked plenty at the SCGs, how many have you gone to? I've spoken at fair length to Faulkner face to face at a separate meeting when he was here. And trust me, or don't knowing you, but it was hardly "isn't it wonderful, isn't randy great" etc. Difference between us is I actually try and do something rather than just wait for someone else to do it for me.

As for being high profile, I wasn't, and am not, high profile in any way shape or form. Still got the 19th minute done because I wanted it done so did it. And as I said, I asked other for help to get it done.

I haven't been to any SCGs, but I've been a regular at Villa since '77 and a ST holder for most of the seasons since.
My problem with you is that you've defended him to the hilt on here for years while the club was going to ruin, but worst than that you've pounced on any post that dared to criticise him. I'll never understand that.

[saunders_heroes]

I can't think of anyone worse to lead a protest than Stan Collymore.

Why don't you do it then? You're high profile, unless the Dave Woodhall I've seen and heard on radio and TV over the years is someone completely different. Surely you're not happy with Lerner's stewardship of our club?

[PeterWithesShin]

I've criticised Lerner, but I don't feel the need to say it dozens of times a day for effect. More importantly, i've said it to people where there is a chance it may make a difference, a very small chance, but more chance of it doing something than just calling him names on an internet forum.