Which was Lerner's first big mistake in my opinion and the foundations of the Kremlin walls at VP which are only now starting to be demolished brick by brick by plain speaking and open planning for the future. In my opinion it was a black day in Villa history when we accepted the concept of Martin O'Neill being a victim.
It would benefit me for a start because I would not have to follow a club with a manager I loathe and detest.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 05:13:39 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on December 20, 2015, 04:38:45 PMIts worth bearing in mind though that even though he resigned and so was owed nothing he did win compensation from the tribunal as he argued Villa were in breach of contract, so there is something there to his side.No.We've had this one 100 times at least. He didn't "win" anything "from the tribunal", the two parties settled. Not the same thing.Mind if we go over it 101 times then? Because I dont understand. Why settle? He resigned, owed nothing. Why would Lerner give him money unless there was something in the contract that was breached.
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on December 20, 2015, 04:38:45 PMIts worth bearing in mind though that even though he resigned and so was owed nothing he did win compensation from the tribunal as he argued Villa were in breach of contract, so there is something there to his side.No.We've had this one 100 times at least. He didn't "win" anything "from the tribunal", the two parties settled. Not the same thing.
Its worth bearing in mind though that even though he resigned and so was owed nothing he did win compensation from the tribunal as he argued Villa were in breach of contract, so there is something there to his side.
Quote from: brian green on December 20, 2015, 05:48:01 PMWhich was Lerner's first big mistake in my opinion and the foundations of the Kremlin walls at VP which are only now starting to be demolished brick by brick by plain speaking and open planning for the future. In my opinion it was a black day in Villa history when we accepted the concept of Martin O'Neill being a victim.I must of dreamt about the 3 top 6 finishes. The European football. The carling cup final where the referee awarded the cup to man United. The f.a cup semi final the 6-0 away to Derby & the 5-1 victory over the Scum.
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on December 20, 2015, 06:10:40 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 05:13:39 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on December 20, 2015, 04:38:45 PMIts worth bearing in mind though that even though he resigned and so was owed nothing he did win compensation from the tribunal as he argued Villa were in breach of contract, so there is something there to his side.No.We've had this one 100 times at least. He didn't "win" anything "from the tribunal", the two parties settled. Not the same thing.Mind if we go over it 101 times then? Because I dont understand. Why settle? He resigned, owed nothing. Why would Lerner give him money unless there was something in the contract that was breached.Honestly, I can't face it.Sometimes organisations will agree a deal to make a case go away. It happens all the time, it is cheaper, less distracting and quicker to meet someone half way.The reason you haven't heard him say he "won" his case is the same reason you haven't heard the club say it either, because it's a compromise agreement.It doesn't make any difference that the club paid him, it's no admission of being in the wrong, it's just an admission that they've come to an agreement - the details of which we don't know and never will.Even if the club adamantly think they've done nothing wrong and not breached the contract, it still costs a huge amount of money (and time) to fight it in court, it can be cheaper just to find a figure they're happy with and fuck them off and get on with life.
Quote from: The Edge on December 20, 2015, 06:17:32 PMQuote from: brian green on December 20, 2015, 05:48:01 PMWhich was Lerner's first big mistake in my opinion and the foundations of the Kremlin walls at VP which are only now starting to be demolished brick by brick by plain speaking and open planning for the future. In my opinion it was a black day in Villa history when we accepted the concept of Martin O'Neill being a victim.I must of dreamt about the 3 top 6 finishes. The European football. The carling cup final where the referee awarded the cup to man United. The f.a cup semi final the 6-0 away to Derby & the 5-1 victory over the Scum. And the five years subsequently paying the price.
History will show that after Villa he went to Sunderland followed the same transfer spending and left them in the shit just like us..Imo with budget he had here 6th was a bare minimum requirement and that's all he achieved ,any other half decent manger would have managed the same.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 06:52:00 PMQuote from: The Edge on December 20, 2015, 06:17:32 PMQuote from: brian green on December 20, 2015, 05:48:01 PMWhich was Lerner's first big mistake in my opinion and the foundations of the Kremlin walls at VP which are only now starting to be demolished brick by brick by plain speaking and open planning for the future. In my opinion it was a black day in Villa history when we accepted the concept of Martin O'Neill being a victim.I must of dreamt about the 3 top 6 finishes. The European football. The carling cup final where the referee awarded the cup to man United. The f.a cup semi final the 6-0 away to Derby & the 5-1 victory over the Scum. And the five years subsequently paying the price.Sorry but when a manager leaves a club regardless of the circumstances it's ridiculous to blame him for the shit we are in 5 years later.
Quote from: The Edge on December 20, 2015, 07:10:27 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 06:52:00 PMQuote from: The Edge on December 20, 2015, 06:17:32 PMQuote from: brian green on December 20, 2015, 05:48:01 PMWhich was Lerner's first big mistake in my opinion and the foundations of the Kremlin walls at VP which are only now starting to be demolished brick by brick by plain speaking and open planning for the future. In my opinion it was a black day in Villa history when we accepted the concept of Martin O'Neill being a victim.I must of dreamt about the 3 top 6 finishes. The European football. The carling cup final where the referee awarded the cup to man United. The f.a cup semi final the 6-0 away to Derby & the 5-1 victory over the Scum. And the five years subsequently paying the price.Sorry but when a manager leaves a club regardless of the circumstances it's ridiculous to blame him for the shit we are in 5 years later. The current malaise isn't all his fault, but he sowed the seeds of our demise. Or do you think that Leeds fans think the Champions League semi final was worth the price they've had to pay since?
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 08:10:33 PMQuote from: The Edge on December 20, 2015, 07:10:27 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 06:52:00 PMQuote from: The Edge on December 20, 2015, 06:17:32 PMQuote from: brian green on December 20, 2015, 05:48:01 PMWhich was Lerner's first big mistake in my opinion and the foundations of the Kremlin walls at VP which are only now starting to be demolished brick by brick by plain speaking and open planning for the future. In my opinion it was a black day in Villa history when we accepted the concept of Martin O'Neill being a victim.I must of dreamt about the 3 top 6 finishes. The European football. The carling cup final where the referee awarded the cup to man United. The f.a cup semi final the 6-0 away to Derby & the 5-1 victory over the Scum. And the five years subsequently paying the price.Sorry but when a manager leaves a club regardless of the circumstances it's ridiculous to blame him for the shit we are in 5 years later. The current malaise isn't all his fault, but he sowed the seeds of our demise. Or do you think that Leeds fans think the Champions League semi final was worth the price they've had to pay since?And I bet they still blame Peter Ridsdale.