Newcastle United v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[brontebilly]

First half performance was dreadful, second half was like a different team. We were inspired by Ayew, best individual performance in a Villa shirt since Delph in the cup semi final. Gestede was much improved, not sure why we waited until 60mins to make the change. Garde seems a cautious coach when it comes to changes, thought it was calling out for Traore but to be fair Westwood put in a good shift on the right. Veretout had a fine second half too, quality set pieces throughout.

Thought our midfield duo were hopeless mind, Sanchez - his brain and legs are on different wavelengths. Gueye - gutless, work shy and a passenger, Sinclair-esque in other words.

Guzan 6, Hutton 7, Okore 6, Lescott 7, Bacuna 6, Westwood 6, Gueye 4, Sanchez 5, Veretout 7, Ayew 9. Gestede 7

[adrenachrome]

I think we've won there twice. The Taylor game when Shearer was sent off and the Dyer/Bowyer game when they had 3 sent off.

yeah but im sick of this "premiership shite" weve beat em loads of fkn times

We've won up there in the league about 4 times in 50+ years.

And yet our record is so good 10 miles down the road in Sunderland, it's an odd one although this was our best performance at St James for a long while I think.

I agree.

The pressure is off now. The players know we already down.

We will give somebody a good spanking soon, and have a good run of results. Thee i no doubt that we can ping the ball around and create chances.

As far as being ready for the division below, I have serious doubts. I watched the first 30 minutes of the game at the Sty last night.  The Blose player Vaughan (sp) took out a star opposition player in magnificent fashion, if you are into that sort of thing. The player hobbled off 10 minutes later having been a passenger for 10 minutes. Job done.

A little later, in retribution, a Cardiff player contrived to whack Vaughan in the back of the head. A serious deliberate forehead at the height  of his jump.

How do you think our fey boys are going to stand up to this?

[Dave]

As far as being ready for the division below, I have serious doubts. I watched the first 30 minutes of the game at the Sty last night.  The Blose player Vaughan (sp) took out a star opposition player in magnificent fashion, if you are into that sort of thing. The player hobbled off 10 minutes later having been a passenger for 10 minutes. Job done.

A little later, in retribution, a Cardiff player contrived to whack Vaughan in the back of the head. A serious deliberate forehead at the height  of his jump.

How do you think our fey boys are going to stand up to this?

I expect they'll just crack on with being much better footballers than most of the rest of that division and leave the MMA stuff to the cloggers at Birmingham and Cardiff.

[kippaxvilla2]

Fuck off Keowngoal.

[adrenachrome]

As far as being ready for the division below, I have serious doubts. I watched the first 30 minutes of the game at the Sty last night.  The Blose player Vaughan (sp) took out a star opposition player in magnificent fashion, if you are into that sort of thing. The player hobbled off 10 minutes later having been a passenger for 10 minutes. Job done.

A little later, in retribution, a Cardiff player contrived to whack Vaughan in the back of the head. A serious deliberate forehead at the height  of his jump.

How do you think our fey boys are going to stand up to this?

I expect they'll just crack on with being much better footballers than most of the rest of that division and leave the MMA stuff to the cloggers at Birmingham and Cardiff.

I hope you right, Dave.

I think they might mince out though.

[Dave]

As far as being ready for the division below, I have serious doubts. I watched the first 30 minutes of the game at the Sty last night.  The Blose player Vaughan (sp) took out a star opposition player in magnificent fashion, if you are into that sort of thing. The player hobbled off 10 minutes later having been a passenger for 10 minutes. Job done.

A little later, in retribution, a Cardiff player contrived to whack Vaughan in the back of the head. A serious deliberate forehead at the height  of his jump.

How do you think our fey boys are going to stand up to this?

I expect they'll just crack on with being much better footballers than most of the rest of that division and leave the MMA stuff to the cloggers at Birmingham and Cardiff.

I hope you right, Dave.

I think they might mince out though.

Well, those same elbowey Birmingham players lost to our current lot once already this season. And that was with an incompetent idiot telling our players to deliberately lose the first half.

[rougegorge]

The goal we conceded was dreadful. The defensive midfield pair were as pedestrian as ever whilst  Sinclair has done nothing for weeks. He only had a brief good spell under Sherwood.
Conversely, Ayew looked out of place in this team.

[David_Nab]

Sanchez /Gueye both play as they track back and the latter is not that bad on the ball.Sanchez does give the ball away but his has strength and wins balls in the air.As bad so some say he is look at the Everton game to see what happens when 1) he doesn't play 2) we play Grealish and Gil together

Traore / Grealish don't track back and they need to learn that ,you can't have passengers in modern game.Gil is too lightweight.Also our formation matched up Newcastle's who had won the last 2 games if was best option on the day , we may have introduced Traore etc later in game if conditions didn't turn the pitch into a mudpit.In those conditions Gestede was the best option

Ultimately we have an unbalanced side

1) Bacuna is better than Richardson but only just , he offers nothing going forward as he has to switch back onto right foot and his pace redeems his lack of positioning

2)Ayew is our best player currently but he can't play upfront alone he is better dropping deeper but Gestede is also poor upfront alone , however as a front 2 they looked better.4-4-2 is making a comeback and using that today we looked a little better
Interesting article here on the current success of 4-4-2
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/how-leicester-and-watford-are-proving-that-good-old-4-4-2-is-king-in-england-writes-danny-a6779056.html

3)Guzan still looks dodgy , and his kicking as it always has been is shocking

[adrenachrome]

As far as being ready for the division below, I have serious doubts. I watched the first 30 minutes of the game at the Sty last night.  The Blose player Vaughan (sp) took out a star opposition player in magnificent fashion, if you are into that sort of thing. The player hobbled off 10 minutes later having been a passenger for 10 minutes. Job done.

A little later, in retribution, a Cardiff player contrived to whack Vaughan in the back of the head. A serious deliberate forehead at the height  of his jump.

How do you think our fey boys are going to stand up to this?

I expect they'll just crack on with being much better footballers than most of the rest of that division and leave the MMA stuff to the cloggers at Birmingham and Cardiff.

I hope you right, Dave.

I think they might mince out though.

Well, those same elbowey Birmingham players lost to our current lot once already this season. And that was with an incompetent idiot telling our players to deliberately lose the first half.

I suppose we shall see, soon enough.

[Goldie.7]

Every week we all bang on about "we need to win" and "how many games we need to win" Well... we aren't winning and don't look nowhere near winning a game. Even our own manager wasn't going to risk throwing on an attacking player with 20 minutes to go because the likelihood of him doing so would of probably ended in yet another defeat.

I'm bored out of my mind waiting for this magical new form and run of wins to come, especially when the team is setup for a draw. We were fortunate to get a point here and against Southampton IMO (both missed numerous sitters).

If Garde and the team want to see 3 points again this season, then the manager needs to be a hell of a lot more positive and the team needs to play extremely better than their regular 'turning up' for 15/20 minutes. Until this happens, we'll just continue to draw and lose.

[Meanwood Villa]

We played well second half and dare I say I enjoyed it. Remember that feeling?

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

If Garde really wanted to win this game then Traore should have at least have got 20 minutes.  That Newcastle defense is every bit as bad as ours and was there for the taking.

Just home!
Absolute shite in the first half - a million per cent better in the second.
Shocking defending - AGAIN - for their goal...Bacuna and Lescott marking the same bloke and leaving Colloccini totally free.
Only a few pages into the thread but Bren'd's comment summed it up for me.
Met up with mate who is a neutral and couldn't believe that we didn't attack them more as they were shit in defence! At the time, in the situation, with the conditions, Traore was worth a go.
They were hacking down Alan Hutton ffs!


And that ref - what a twat! Again!

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I'll wager we don't win another 4 games all season.

I'll take that. A bottle of Casa Ferreirinha Douro Reserva Especial?*


*I'm being kind to you, I could have asked for Barca Velha.

I'll take that bet.  Which year?  Shall we say 2007?

Agreed.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Why not play Traore instead of Sinclair? Who offers nothing. And Gil for Westwood. Garde is clueless and too negative.

First three sentences pretty much what I was declaiming from Row N seat 539 throughout the second half.
Fourth sentence: he's a bit too "safe" in my view. He wanted the point rather than risk all 3. I don't necessarily agree with him but appreciate his thinking.
Me? I would have brought Traore on for at least 20 minutes and let him have a run at them...the ball "holding up in the conditions" as some mention, works two ways! I think their plodding defenders - especially towards the end of an arduous game - would have been fu*ked!

[OzVilla]

Not sure if conditions contributed to it but Guzan was poor for their goal.

I didn't think the conditions played a part at all. Lescott lost his man at the corner and Guzan parried a weak shot which was virtually straight at him into the corner of the net. Ugly, soft goal and very preventable.

Defensively it pretty much summed us up so far this season.