Comparisons with 1986-87

[joe_c]

After 15 games in 1986 we were on 17 points.

We lost 4-0 to Arsenal on this day in 1986 with a team which included Spink, Williams, Dorigo, Evans, Keown, Walters Hodge and Daley.

I'm too depressed to make any more comparisons, we are down....

I remember that game, wasn't it over inside 20 minutes?

No you are thinking of another drubbing by the Arse at VP when Alan Smith lobbed Spink after about 10 minutes.

Rocastle with the lob wasn't it? Smith scored I think but it wasn't anything special.

[kippaxvilla2]

Ah yes, now you come to mention it.  I think Smith beat Spink to one of those GK v Striker header challenges.

[Oscar Arce]

I've said since the start of the season this is the worst side since Billy McBingo's.
Comparison is valid in that then we were signing and blooding young, hungry players with good sell-on values so they thought, as Mr Riley did this Summer.
It didn't work and some of the players sunk without trace (Cooper/Aspinall/Hunt/Elliot) or a living in the lower leagues (Glover/Bradley/Kerr/Stainrod) others made reasonable careers (Keown, Hodge, Dorigo, Daley).
Of the players we have now Amavi read Dorigo, the rest will scuttle off back to France or wherever, we will need, as we did then, a complete new team for the rigours of the Championship.

[LeeB]

After 15 games in 1986 we were on 17 points.

We lost 4-0 to Arsenal on this day in 1986 with a team which included Spink, Williams, Dorigo, Evans, Keown, Walters Hodge and Daley.

I'm too depressed to make any more comparisons, we are down....

I remember that game, wasn't it over inside 20 minutes?

No you are thinking of another drubbing by the Arse at VP when Alan Smith lobbed Spink after about 10 minutes.

Yes, new years eve 1988.

[russon]

Our last away game this time is at Arsenal, a far cry from our last game at Arsenal in 1981 that's for sure.

Our last away game in 87 was at Man United when we were already down yet took thousands and I remember it as a great day out despite the circumstances. I remember fancy dress was getting into vogue so shared a platform at Picaddily station for the train home with, amongst others,  Superman, Batman and Adolf Hitler.

[DeKuip]

One thing unusual from 86-87 was that the 4th bottom team Charlton had to play off against Leeds from Div2 (old money championship) for the right to stay in the top flight - what a nerve shredder that must have been for the Charlton fans.

Yes their prize for finishing out of the bottom three was a play-off against Leeds in Small Heath.

[Des Little]

In 1986 we were shit. This year we are even shitter.

[montague]

McNeils first team v Liverpool was below. On paper thats not bad, certainly at the back. Quite a few of these these would enhance the current team.

Nigel Spink
David Norton
Allan Evans
Martin Keown
Paul Elliott
Tony Dorigo
Paul Birch
Steve Hodge
Simon Stainrod
Garry Thompson
Steve Hunt

[dave.woodhall]

McNeils first team v Liverpool was below. On paper thats not bad, certainly at the back. Quite a few of these these would enhance the current team.

Nigel Spink
David Norton
Allan Evans
Martin Keown
Paul Elliott
Tony Dorigo
Paul Birch
Steve Hodge
Simon Stainrod
Garry Thompson
Steve Hunt

The big trouble with that team is that there isn't a single decent outfield player with a spine whose best days weren't at least three or four years either past or in the future.

[old man villa fan]

McNeils first team v Liverpool was below. On paper thats not bad, certainly at the back. Quite a few of these these would enhance the current team.

Nigel Spink
David Norton
Allan Evans
Martin Keown
Paul Elliott
Tony Dorigo
Paul Birch
Steve Hodge
Simon Stainrod
Garry Thompson
Steve Hunt

The big trouble with that team is that there isn't a single decent outfield player with a spine whose best days weren't at least three or four years either past or in the future.

Observant as always and I am surprised the odd one out could stand up straight.

[kippaxvilla2]

Dorigo and Hodge were also working their ticket which didn't help matters.

[ZhongYi]

We had better players in 86-87. However we also had the Biggest Don't Give a Shit Managerbin Our History.

Utter utter wanker. Turner was out of his depth, McNeill was just a Lazy Cretin.

apparently McNeill didnt open a single bit of mail and when he left there was a ton iof it. Sources claimed he was waiting for the Celtic job which he duly took once he had been fired at the end of the season. In an interview sometime around 1990 he branded Villa "a citadel of doom".

I wanted to test the letter thing so in 1989 when he was Celtic manager I wrote a fan letter to Celtic and he replied and personally signed the letter!

As for Turner. Never in my life have i been as glad to see a Villa manager sacked as much as him. He was the true cretin. Case in point: banishing Dennis Mortimer to an entire season in the reserves in his first season. Bomb squad v1.   

[ZhongYi]

I've said since the start of the season this is the worst side since Billy McBingo's.
Comparison is valid in that then we were signing and blooding young, hungry players with good sell-on values so they thought, as Mr Riley did this Summer.
It didn't work and some of the players sunk without trace (Cooper/Aspinall/Hunt/Elliot) or a living in the lower leagues (Glover/Bradley/Kerr/Stainrod) others made reasonable careers (Keown, Hodge, Dorigo, Daley).
Of the players we have now Amavi read Dorigo, the rest will scuttle off back to France or wherever, we will need, as we did then, a complete new team for the rigours of the Championship.

in fairness Steve Hunt was playing very well for the club in the promotion season but had a knee injury that ended his career. He was a good player for the Villa.

[ChicagoLion]

I've said since the start of the season this is the worst side since Billy McBingo's.
Comparison is valid in that then we were signing and blooding young, hungry players with good sell-on values so they thought, as Mr Riley did this Summer.
It didn't work and some of the players sunk without trace (Cooper/Aspinall/Hunt/Elliot) or a living in the lower leagues (Glover/Bradley/Kerr/Stainrod) others made reasonable careers (Keown, Hodge, Dorigo, Daley).
Of the players we have now Amavi read Dorigo, the rest will scuttle off back to France or wherever, we will need, as we did then, a complete new team for the rigours of the Championship.

I agree, most Prem League teams except the YO YO Clubs are not prepared for the Championship.  Our current set up is certainly not equipped.

[Charlie8182]

After 15 games in 1986 we were on 17 points.

We lost 4-0 to Arsenal on this day in 1986 with a team which included Spink, Williams, Dorigo, Evans, Keown, Walters Hodge and Daley.

I'm too depressed to make any more comparisons, we are down....

I remember that game, wasn't it over inside 20 minutes?

No you are thinking of another drubbing by the Arse at VP when Alan Smith lobbed Spink after about 10 minutes.

Rocastle with the lob wasn't it? Smith scored I think but it wasn't anything special.

This was the Arse game at Villa Park (29/11/1986)