Comparisons with 1986-87

[DeKuip]

Yellow away kit.

In 69-70 too. Having escaped by the skin of our teeth last season only an idiot would bring back the away colours we wore the last two times we got relegated.

[old man villa fan]

We may have been debt free, but it didn't stop us from being the best team in europe to a second division team inside 5 years.

True, although I saw the debt-free thing as being more a crumb of comfort at the time rather than anything to cheer about. The amount we owe Lerner (is it into nine figures yet?) is going to be a serious impediment to us getting out of the Championship (at the right end) I would imagine.

Does the club owe Lerner anything?  Isn't this all wrapped up in his asking price for the club i.e. reported £150m.

[Chris Harte]

We may have been debt free, but it didn't stop us from being the best team in europe to a second division team inside 5 years.

True, although I saw the debt-free thing as being more a crumb of comfort at the time rather than anything to cheer about. The amount we owe Lerner (is it into nine figures yet?) is going to be a serious impediment to us getting out of the Championship (at the right end) I would imagine.

Does the club owe Lerner anything?  Isn't this all wrapped up in his asking price for the club i.e. reported £150m.

I'm not sure how it works in truth. Maybe someone who's an accountant or similar could shead some light on this.

[claretandblue barmy]

I think its way worse than 86/87 i seem to remember us wining games during that season !

[Villa in Denmark]

The club doesn't "owe" Lerner anything.  The last of the debt was converted to equity (he sold shares to himself to the same value as the outstanding loans) 12 months ago if I remember correctly (It might be 2 years ago thinking about it.)

If he can find a buyer then the buyer isn't buying a club loaded with debt and Lerner's loss is sale price minus the amount he's thrown in.

Unfortunately someone with even moderately deep pockets and good intentions is apparently hard to find.

[levico]

I guess whether this season is better or worse that 66/67 or 86/87 depends how the rest of the season pans out.

The way things are going it looks like this will be the worst season in the Club's history.

[Chico Hamilton III]

After 15 games in 1986 we were on 17 points.

We lost 4-0 to Arsenal on this day in 1986 with a team which included Spink, Williams, Dorigo, Evans, Keown, Walters Hodge and Daley.

I'm too depressed to make any more comparisons, we are down....

[kippaxvilla2]

Even Perry fcukin Groves scored in that game.

[joe_c]

I am wondering who will turn out to be this generation's Warren Aspinall.

[Chris Harte]

After 15 games in 1986 we were on 17 points.

Really? I'm sure we've been scrapping along to basement with worse records than that these last four or five seasons.

Another stat from 1986. I remember our home record that season being won 7, drew 7, lost 7, scored 21, conceded 21. We'd kill for a home record a bit like that now, wouldn't we?

[LeeB]

After 15 games in 1986 we were on 17 points.

We lost 4-0 to Arsenal on this day in 1986 with a team which included Spink, Williams, Dorigo, Evans, Keown, Walters Hodge and Daley.

I'm too depressed to make any more comparisons, we are down....

I remember that game, wasn't it over inside 20 minutes?

[Bottom Right 89]

One thing unusual from 86-87 was that the 4th bottom team Charlton had to play off against Leeds from Div2 (old money championship) for the right to stay in the top flight - what a nerve shredder that must have been for the Charlton fans.

[Chico Hamilton III]

After 15 games in 1986 we were on 17 points.

Really? I'm sure we've been scrapping along to basement with worse records than that these last four or five seasons.

Another stat from 1986. I remember our home record that season being won 7, drew 7, lost 7, scored 21, conceded 21. We'd kill for a home record a bit like that now, wouldn't we?

Just checked and we were actually on 16 points after only 13 games. Hard to believe, compared with the absolute shite we're in today

[Pat McMahon]

After 15 games in 1986 we were on 17 points.

We lost 4-0 to Arsenal on this day in 1986 with a team which included Spink, Williams, Dorigo, Evans, Keown, Walters Hodge and Daley.

I'm too depressed to make any more comparisons, we are down....

I remember that game, wasn't it over inside 20 minutes?

IIRC we held them for about an hour and they scored once and it was game over, rattling in another 3 before the end.

I recall they had a big away support

[kippaxvilla2]

After 15 games in 1986 we were on 17 points.

We lost 4-0 to Arsenal on this day in 1986 with a team which included Spink, Williams, Dorigo, Evans, Keown, Walters Hodge and Daley.

I'm too depressed to make any more comparisons, we are down....

I remember that game, wasn't it over inside 20 minutes?

No you are thinking of another drubbing by the Arse at VP when Alan Smith lobbed Spink after about 10 minutes.