Former PL club Aston Villa 2-3 Watford - post mortem thread

[saunders_heroes]

Lerner has sole responsibility for this, after MON walked out leaving us with overpaid journeyman stinking the club out

I've never really bought into this bitter and twisted jilted bride mentality many people have against O'Neill.  The day he walked out was the day I knew we were in decline.

I wish we were being 'stunk out' in 6th place every year right now.

I'm with ya Mr W. I guess some folk find it easier to slag off the man who baled - rather than the idiot who displayed apparent commitment & loyalty. 'Funny old game ain't it?

And why did O'Neill walk? Because he had the rug pulled from under his feet by Lerner that's why. The chairman informed him they'd be no more big signings no more big wages and from now on we were to be run on a relative shoestring. O'Neill is no fool and he knew no top club could compete with such penny pinching so he walked. This is why we couldn't and still can't attract decent players or managers since, and this is why the last 5 years have been such a miserable experience.
This is just my opinion before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.

[saunders_heroes]

Someone mentioned Senderos recently which is interesting because whilst no-one was moaning about him being left out of the squad at the time, we could do with someone like him in the back line at the moment. An old head and someone who can organise a bit. I reckon he'll be back in the squad in January.

I mentioned him because he actually impressed me at the start of last season before he vanished from the face of the earth. Experience is what we need now though, and if he's fit I'd play him, but of course he's not even named in our squad so it can't happen till at least January.

[supertom]

Lerner has sole responsibility for this, after MON walked out leaving us with overpaid journeyman stinking the club out

I've never really bought into this bitter and twisted jilted bride mentality many people have against O'Neill.  The day he walked out was the day I knew we were in decline.

I wish we were being 'stunk out' in 6th place every year right now.

I'm with ya Mr W. I guess some folk find it easier to slag off the man who baled - rather than the idiot who displayed apparent commitment & loyalty. 'Funny old game ain't it?

And why did O'Neill walk? Because he had the rug pulled from under his feet by Lerner that's why. The chairman informed him they'd be no more big signings no more big wages and from now on we were to be run on a relative shoestring. O'Neill is no fool and he knew no top club could compete with such penny pinching so he walked. This is why we couldn't and still can't attract decent players or managers since, and this is why the last 5 years have been such a miserable experience.
This is just my opinion before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.

Had O Neill left in May he'd probably still be one of my favourite Villa managers. I don't actually blame him for going but surely these finance discussions were discussed in the tail end of the last season or during close season. To fuck off a week before the start of the season is what really bugged me. Whether the Milner sale (and getting Ireland in return) was the final straw I don't know. But O Neill could have left after the previous season with a lot of good will.

[Ron Manager]

Senderos played well with Vlaar at the beginning of last season. But both were injury prone and not just out for a couple of games so they couldnt forge a consistent partnership.

[German James]

Had O Neill left in May he'd probably still be one of my favourite Villa managers. I don't actually blame him for going but surely these finance discussions were discussed in the tail end of the last season or during close season. To fuck off a week before the start of the season is what really bugged me. Whether the Milner sale (and getting Ireland in return) was the final straw I don't know. But O Neill could have left after the previous season with a lot of good will.

Absolutely this! It wasn't his leaving, but the nature and timing of his leaving.

[saunders_heroes]

Lerner has sole responsibility for this, after MON walked out leaving us with overpaid journeyman stinking the club out

I've never really bought into this bitter and twisted jilted bride mentality many people have against O'Neill.  The day he walked out was the day I knew we were in decline.

I wish we were being 'stunk out' in 6th place every year right now.

I'm with ya Mr W. I guess some folk find it easier to slag off the man who baled - rather than the idiot who displayed apparent commitment & loyalty. 'Funny old game ain't it?

And why did O'Neill walk? Because he had the rug pulled from under his feet by Lerner that's why. The chairman informed him they'd be no more big signings no more big wages and from now on we were to be run on a relative shoestring. O'Neill is no fool and he knew no top club could compete with such penny pinching so he walked. This is why we couldn't and still can't attract decent players or managers since, and this is why the last 5 years have been such a miserable experience.
This is just my opinion before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.

Had O Neill left in May he'd probably still be one of my favourite Villa managers. I don't actually blame him for going but surely these finance discussions were discussed in the tail end of the last season or during close season. To fuck off a week before the start of the season is what really bugged me. Whether the Milner sale (and getting Ireland in return) was the final straw I don't know. But O Neill could have left after the previous season with a lot of good will.

I agree, and I think you're right about Milner being the final straw. If he had walked out at the end of the previous season he probably wouldn't be so unpopular as he is now but I doubt very much if that would have affected our decline. That was set in stone as soon as Lerner decided he couldn't give a flying fuck anymore.

[Mossie Hennebry]

Lerner's record of appointing managers is nothing short of shocking considering it was the previous regime that installed O'Neill. Excluding the current incumbent, of course, it would be the act of a pessimist to rule on Garde just yet.

Christ, this is depressing....all that hope in 2006, now, nothing.

[Clark W Griswold]

Someone mentioned Senderos recently which is interesting because whilst no-one was moaning about him being left out of the squad at the time, we could do with someone like him in the back line at the moment. An old head and someone who can organise a bit. I reckon he'll be back in the squad in January.

To be honest, Clark and Richardson as a left sided pair are the worst I've ever seen so I'd try Senderos for Clark and Lescott back in for Richardson.

[Clampy]

Someone mentioned Senderos recently which is interesting because whilst no-one was moaning about him being left out of the squad at the time, we could do with someone like him in the back line at the moment. An old head and someone who can organise a bit. I reckon he'll be back in the squad in January.

To be honest, Clark and Richardson as a left sided pair are the worst I've ever seen so I'd try Senderos for Clark and Lescott back in for Richardson.

Well we can't play Senderos until the new year anyway.

I thought Hutton had one of his better games yesterday and did hi best at one point to get the Holte End going, but overall him and Richardson are two average full backs.

[supertom]

Someone mentioned Senderos recently which is interesting because whilst no-one was moaning about him being left out of the squad at the time, we could do with someone like him in the back line at the moment. An old head and someone who can organise a bit. I reckon he'll be back in the squad in January.

To be honest, Clark and Richardson as a left sided pair are the worst I've ever seen so I'd try Senderos for Clark and Lescott back in for Richardson.

Well we can't play Senderos until the new year anyway.

I thought Hutton had one of his better games yesterday and did hi best at one point to get the Holte End going, but overall him and Richardson are two average full backs.

I think average is a bit generous on Richardson. I don't think he's even got the legs for the championship now and Hutton is 31 tomorrow.

[Clampy]

Someone mentioned Senderos recently which is interesting because whilst no-one was moaning about him being left out of the squad at the time, we could do with someone like him in the back line at the moment. An old head and someone who can organise a bit. I reckon he'll be back in the squad in January.

To be honest, Clark and Richardson as a left sided pair are the worst I've ever seen so I'd try Senderos for Clark and Lescott back in for Richardson.

Well we can't play Senderos until the new year anyway.

I thought Hutton had one of his better games yesterday and did his best at one point to get the Holte End going, but overall him and Richardson are two average full backs.

I think average is a bit generous on Richardson. I don't think he's even got the legs for the championship now and Hutton is 31 tomorrow.

[auntiesledd]

I thought the same about the kick off FFD, the only thing I could think of was that they thought it might help us get off to a decent start.

Under normal circumstances you might take some encouragement from yesterday, we played some decent stuff and scored two good goals but the collection of clowns masquerading as a defence made sure that the opposition didn't have to travel home empty handed.

I thought that too - in isolation, yesterday wasn't too bad as defeats go.  But taken in combination with crap that's gone, it's hard to take.

I remember under Graham Taylor1 we had a poor home run and switched around several times to attack the holte first half. I think it's just to try something different.

This shower may as well attack the Trinity Road Stand for what good it'll do.

[auntiesledd]

Lerner has sole responsibility for this, after MON walked out leaving us with overpaid journeyman stinking the club out

I've never really bought into this bitter and twisted jilted bride mentality many people have against O'Neill.  The day he walked out was the day I knew we were in decline.

I wish we were being 'stunk out' in 6th place every year right now.

I'm with ya Mr W. I guess some folk find it easier to slag off the man who baled - rather than the idiot who displayed apparent commitment & loyalty. 'Funny old game ain't it?

And why did O'Neill walk? Because he had the rug pulled from under his feet by Lerner that's why. The chairman informed him they'd be no more big signings no more big wages and from now on we were to be run on a relative shoestring. O'Neill is no fool and he knew no top club could compete with such penny pinching so he walked. This is why we couldn't and still can't attract decent players or managers since, and this is why the last 5 years have been such a miserable experience.
This is just my opinion before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.

I fully concur (although I couldn't be arsed to offer my thoughts on the whole depressing matter).   

[auntiesledd]

Lerner has sole responsibility for this, after MON walked out leaving us with overpaid journeyman stinking the club out

I've never really bought into this bitter and twisted jilted bride mentality many people have against O'Neill.  The day he walked out was the day I knew we were in decline.

I wish we were being 'stunk out' in 6th place every year right now.

I'm with ya Mr W. I guess some folk find it easier to slag off the man who baled - rather than the idiot who displayed apparent commitment & loyalty. 'Funny old game ain't it?

And why did O'Neill walk? Because he had the rug pulled from under his feet by Lerner that's why. The chairman informed him they'd be no more big signings no more big wages and from now on we were to be run on a relative shoestring. O'Neill is no fool and he knew no top club could compete with such penny pinching so he walked. This is why we couldn't and still can't attract decent players or managers since, and this is why the last 5 years have been such a miserable experience.
This is just my opinion before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.

Had O Neill left in May he'd probably still be one of my favourite Villa managers. I don't actually blame him for going but surely these finance discussions were discussed in the tail end of the last season or during close season. To fuck off a week before the start of the season is what really bugged me. Whether the Milner sale (and getting Ireland in return) was the final straw I don't know. But O Neill could have left after the previous season with a lot of good will.

I think that marvellous spot of business was definitely the final straw. Good call Randy, that worked out real swell. You da man etc.

[Clark W Griswold]

Someone mentioned Senderos recently which is interesting because whilst no-one was moaning about him being left out of the squad at the time, we could do with someone like him in the back line at the moment. An old head and someone who can organise a bit. I reckon he'll be back in the squad in January.

To be honest, Clark and Richardson as a left sided pair are the worst I've ever seen so I'd try Senderos for Clark and Lescott back in for Richardson.

Well we can't play Senderos until the new year anyway.

I thought Hutton had one of his better games yesterday and did hi best at one point to get the Holte End going, but overall him and Richardson are two average full backs.

I think average is a bit generous on Richardson. I don't think he's even got the legs for the championship now and Hutton is 31 tomorrow.

Richardson is a past it midfielder and Lescott is a past it Defender. Might as well play a past it defender at left back than a past it midfielder.