Former PL club Aston Villa 2-3 Watford - post mortem thread

[class-of-82]

Aj2k77
That's exactly what my grandad said to me when we walked down witton lane all those years ago when we went into the third.
Just S long as players like Gray little Cropley gidman etc etc etc come back reincarnated

[ROBBO]

Has anyone else noticed how Gueye's (Gana) performance level seems to be dropping each game? He was a shining light when he first arrived but now he looks to be trying but only to a certain level in a losing team.

This is something of a recurring theme at the club. Player comes in, player looks good, player slowly turns to shit.
Ryan Bertrand was a fine example of this, in particular because a move to Southampton had him looking like a player again, immediately.

Funnily enough i was thinking of Bertrand as well, it does seem that good players don't feel obliged to be good for us, or is it the crap backroom we have?

[ROBBO]

When you look at the good defenders we have had at the club it makes you weep, players of stature, reliable and gritty.We are not alone look at Newcastle two clubs very much alike.

[LeeB]

Has anyone else noticed how Gueye's (Gana) performance level seems to be dropping each game? He was a shining light when he first arrived but now he looks to be trying but only to a certain level in a losing team.

This is something of a recurring theme at the club. Player comes in, player looks good, player slowly turns to shit.
Ryan Bertrand was a fine example of this, in particular because a move to Southampton had him looking like a player again, immediately.

Funnily enough i was thinking of Bertrand as well, it does seem that good players don't feel obliged to be good for us, or is it the crap backroom we have?

I'm begining to think it might be the latter, I don't know why.

[walsall villain]

Read a few posts saying we need 11 or12 wins. Probably 8 wins and 8 draws, 8 defeats would be enough. Problem is, we have no chance. Today was it for me, hope has gone.

[four fornicholl]

im watching snf match choice tonight, first time for a while
and will concentrate only on the positives
its a long way off over for us yet
UTV

[LeeB]

Well usually when a team looks fucked they relax and then start to play a bit.

Hopefully that point having being reached so early means we'll suddenly get an unlikely win, and the new manager can quickly harness it and turn it into momentum.

We might be fucked, but if that Sunderland team can win a couple on the spin then so can we.

[walsall villain]

Well usually when a team looks fucked they relax and then start to play a bit.

Hopefully that point having being reached so early means we'll suddenly get an unlikely win, and the new manager can quickly harness it and turn it into momentum.

We might be fucked, but if that Sunderland team can win a couple on the spin then so can we.

Sorry to piss on your chips but can't see we will. Sunderland appointed the much berated (on here) Allerdyce who , like Pulis, knows how to play ugly and win. We aren't likely to play there way. I'd love to be so wrong but history is against us.

[mr woo]

Well usually when a team looks fucked they relax and then start to play a bit.

Hopefully that point having being reached so early means we'll suddenly get an unlikely win, and the new manager can quickly harness it and turn it into momentum.

We might be fucked, but if that Sunderland team can win a couple on the spin then so can we.

Yeah, thats the difference a proven manager can make though. We, on the other hand have a fingers crossed unknown in charge.

[Jon Crofts]

It's going to be a hell of a party when we survive at the death.

Haha yeah good one, let's say we did, for what another year of utter shit.

[David_Nab]

Just watched the goals again & the defending for all 3 is suicidal. If you look at most of the goals against us, they come from straight down the centre or individual errors. We don't get opened up, we don't concede from set plays. Only Liverpool, Spurs & Everton have really outplayed us.

We have to be realistic on what can be achieved between now and the end of season. The best we can hope for is to put up a decent show of it. January is too late, it would take a miracle. We need to plan for next season.

Whatever happens, I'll still be there next August.

UTV

It's a recurring theme aside from Everton we haven't been turned over but dear god the quality of goals we give away is something else.The defence needs a wise head unfortunately we tasked that job to Lescott who has turned out to be well passed it.

We got some luck against City but since then we lost Amavi and the defence has been awful.As a collective unit they are abysmal and inspire no confidence.Not helped by our DM Sanchez who in minutes can from being rock solid to a quivering wreak giving the ball away like a Sunday league player.

Beyond that our other issue is one of physicality..we lack strength through the team.For instance today Gil and Sinclair came up against 2 strong FB's and got very little success.It's why for all his faults we miss Gabby because he at least can handle himself on the pitch.

Questions to ask

Do we move Richards to RB his attacking is better than Huttons and he still doesn't read game that well at CB
Do we go 3-5-2 to make us more solid at the back as Sunderland have done
Ayew looks good but is not a lone striker how to we remedy this ?

[villan from luton]

Hutton had loads of space in the first half especially, and I said to my lad we should get Okore on and put Richards there.

[SamTheMouse]

When he first broke through at Man City, Richards looked best to me when rampaging past the halfway line.

He still does.

[aj2k77]

The whole back 5 is a shambles. It needs totally re organising. We could swap all 5 of them out and I doubt we'd look any less solid.

[four fornicholl]

DESPERATE TIMES I KNOW
but I reckon gestede would be a better centre half than centre forward
Richards out right