Randy Lerner

[villadelph]

I think it's a shame when Pelty comes here to give us some insight he gets driven off with such a hostile reaction.

I'm more inclined to side with Bernstein & King as well, but if people could be more civil in their response it may have been a good way to get some dialogue going with someone who is clearly close to the Board.

Gossip about what was in the 'e-mail' is largely irrelevant.  But how the club feels it can move forward after this further massive blow would obviously be of interest.  It would have been nice to keep the conversation going with Pelty without venting all our pent up frustrations on him.

Agreed.

X2.

-1
And anyway, according to the Oxford English Dictionary 'Pelty' means 'one who is receiving of pelters'

Another -1.

While I respect his "opinion", his timing and stance strike me as a crony seeing the situation through rose-tinted glasses.

[Chris Smith]

We all support Villa for many varying and some bizarre reasons and many of us have supported them for decades but none of us 'support' a club because our dad's friend owns them?

David Cameron is pretty close to be fair.

I reckon he posts on here under the name Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle.

I also thought he was Greg Nash.

Greg Nash is Chris Smith's alter ego. Everybody knows that.

We have been successfully treated for our Dissociative Identity Disorder.

[Steve R]

We all support Villa for many varying and some bizarre reasons and many of us have supported them for decades but none of us 'support' a club because our dad's friend owns them?

David Cameron is pretty close to be fair.

I reckon he posts on here under the name Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle.

Get in first, throw suspicion at someone else. Nice one , David

[chrisw1]

I think it's a shame when Pelty comes here to give us some insight he gets driven off with such a hostile reaction.

I'm more inclined to side with Bernstein & King as well, but if people could be more civil in their response it may have been a good way to get some dialogue going with someone who is clearly close to the Board.

Gossip about what was in the 'e-mail' is largely irrelevant.  But how the club feels it can move forward after this further massive blow would obviously be of interest.  It would have been nice to keep the conversation going with Pelty without venting all our pent up frustrations on him.

Agreed.

X2.

-1
And anyway, according to the Oxford English Dictionary 'Pelty' means 'one who is receiving of pelters'

Another -1.

While I respect his "opinion", his timing and stance strike me as a crony seeing the situation through rose-tinted glasses.

That may be so. But it was an opportunity to at least have some dialogue with someone close to the board which at worst may have been interesting and possibly even helpful.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

I think it's a shame when Pelty comes here to give us some insight he gets driven off with such a hostile reaction.

I'm more inclined to side with Bernstein & King as well, but if people could be more civil in their response it may have been a good way to get some dialogue going with someone who is clearly close to the Board.

Gossip about what was in the 'e-mail' is largely irrelevant.  But how the club feels it can move forward after this further massive blow would obviously be of interest.  It would have been nice to keep the conversation going with Pelty without venting all our pent up frustrations on him.

Agreed.

X2.

-1
And anyway, according to the Oxford English Dictionary 'Pelty' means 'one who is receiving of pelters'

Another -1.

While I respect his "opinion", his timing and stance strike me as a crony seeing the situation through rose-tinted glasses.

That may be so. But it was an opportunity to at least have some dialogue with someone close to the board which at worst may have been interesting and possibly even helpful.

It may have been interesting. But it wouldn't have been helpful. For too long we've swallowed whatever they've rammed down our throats. I previously would have stuck up for Randy and co (albeit a while ago now) and would see them through claret and blue tinted glasses. But when the weight of evidence is so heavy to the contrary at some point you have to say - enough.

I think it's fine to be incredibly hostile to anything that comes from Randy, Pelty and Charles.

[Irish villain]

I think it's a shame when Pelty comes here to give us some insight he gets driven off with such a hostile reaction.

I'm more inclined to side with Bernstein & King as well, but if people could be more civil in their response it may have been a good way to get some dialogue going with someone who is clearly close to the Board.

Gossip about what was in the 'e-mail' is largely irrelevant.  But how the club feels it can move forward after this further massive blow would obviously be of interest.  It would have been nice to keep the conversation going with Pelty without venting all our pent up frustrations on him.

Agreed.

X2.

-1
And anyway, according to the Oxford English Dictionary 'Pelty' means 'one who is receiving of pelters'

Another -1.

While I respect his "opinion", his timing and stance strike me as a crony seeing the situation through rose-tinted glasses.

That may be so. But it was an opportunity to at least have some dialogue with someone close to the board which at worst may have been interesting and possibly even helpful.

It may have been interesting. But it wouldn't have been helpful. For too long we've swallowed whatever they've rammed down our throats. I previously would have stuck up for Randy and co (albeit a while ago now) and would see them through claret and blue tinted glasses. But when the weight of evidence is so heavy to the contrary at some point you have to say - enough.

I think it's fine to be incredibly hostile to anything that comes from Randy, Pelty and Charles.

Well put. They have brought it on themselves. Their incompetence, and some of the recent shenanigans, is a let down to those who believed in them.

[Risso]

I think it's a shame when Pelty comes here to give us some insight he gets driven off with such a hostile reaction.

I'm more inclined to side with Bernstein & King as well, but if people could be more civil in their response it may have been a good way to get some dialogue going with someone who is clearly close to the Board.

Gossip about what was in the 'e-mail' is largely irrelevant.  But how the club feels it can move forward after this further massive blow would obviously be of interest.  It would have been nice to keep the conversation going with Pelty without venting all our pent up frustrations on him.

Agreed.

X2.

-1
And anyway, according to the Oxford English Dictionary 'Pelty' means 'one who is receiving of pelters'

Another -1.

While I respect his "opinion", his timing and stance strike me as a crony seeing the situation through rose-tinted glasses.

That may be so. But it was an opportunity to at least have some dialogue with someone close to the board which at worst may have been interesting and possibly even helpful.

Nonsense.  What bit that Pelty posted above was in anyway helpful? It was just the usual tittle tattle designed to deflect criticism away from the terrible job Lerner has done by impugning two decent, experienced businessmen.  If the board want a dialogue with the fans, let them do it properly.

[villadelph]

I think it's a shame when Pelty comes here to give us some insight he gets driven off with such a hostile reaction.

I'm more inclined to side with Bernstein & King as well, but if people could be more civil in their response it may have been a good way to get some dialogue going with someone who is clearly close to the Board.

Gossip about what was in the 'e-mail' is largely irrelevant.  But how the club feels it can move forward after this further massive blow would obviously be of interest.  It would have been nice to keep the conversation going with Pelty without venting all our pent up frustrations on him.

Agreed.

X2.

-1
And anyway, according to the Oxford English Dictionary 'Pelty' means 'one who is receiving of pelters'

Another -1.

While I respect his "opinion", his timing and stance strike me as a crony seeing the situation through rose-tinted glasses.

That may be so. But it was an opportunity to at least have some dialogue with someone close to the board which at worst may have been interesting and possibly even helpful.

Nonsense.  What bit that Pelty posted above was in anyway helpful? It was just the usual tittle tattle designed to deflect criticism away from the terrible job Lerner has done by impugning two decent, experienced businessmen.  If the board want a dialogue with the fans, let them do it properly.

Totally agree. Let's be honest, the General has very little football knowledge, and for his son to suddenly speak up regarding the shitshow that is Aston Villa Football Club shows a glimpse of the insecurity and shame currently plaguing the Board.

It's hard to believe anyone "as crushed as the rest of us" would be able to justify Randy's tenure and denounce the guidance supplied by B&K.

[Comrade Blitz]

X2.

-1

Another -1.

What's that in Lerner maths? 

[villadelph]

X2.

-1

Another -1.

What's that in Lerner maths?

£250m, no wait £100m..

[auntiesledd]

I think it's a shame when Pelty comes here to give us some insight he gets driven off with such a hostile reaction.

I'm more inclined to side with Bernstein & King as well, but if people could be more civil in their response it may have been a good way to get some dialogue going with someone who is clearly close to the Board.

Gossip about what was in the 'e-mail' is largely irrelevant.  But how the club feels it can move forward after this further massive blow would obviously be of interest.  It would have been nice to keep the conversation going with Pelty without venting all our pent up frustrations on him.

Agreed.

X2.

-1
And anyway, according to the Oxford English Dictionary 'Pelty' means 'one who is receiving of pelters'

Another -1.

While I respect his "opinion", his timing and stance strike me as a crony seeing the situation through rose-tinted glasses.

That may be so. But it was an opportunity to at least have some dialogue with someone close to the board which at worst may have been interesting and possibly even helpful.

Shirley if he (Pelty) is a chip off his Father's old block, he won't be put off coming back on here just because a lot of us disagree with his opinion. Additionally what's stopping him conversing with his Dad about the feelings of concern & anger amongst Villa supporters & relaying any information he may be able to glean back this way? The time for virtual schmoozing is long-since-gone, as far as I'm concerned, because this club is dying on it's arse & decisive action needs to happen ASAP! If Pelty wants to help bring about a much-needed resolution then there's nowt preventing him from doing his bit.

[Percy McCarthy]

I think everyone is more than aware that there are two sides to the story. I am also in full agreement that it does look a bit odd shall I say that letters have been leaked and then King goes on Bloomberg (?) publicly calling for the sale to go through quickly whilst both men have now firmly pointed the finger at Lerner.

I don't think they have acted professionally at all.

But...

name one journalist over here that has not highlighted Randy Lerner as being the problem at Villa. There is a big big problem behind the scenes that has manifested itself into a shambolic club with no sense of direction of one hopeless appointment after another. It appears from stories on the web, and from posters here from the US, that Lerner's tenure of the Cleveland Browns was very similar.

At last it seemed that Lerner was going to take a back step and the appointed Chairman and the newly formed football board would have free reign in putting the thing that we care about the most, the football side, right. We expect that stuff that we don't see to be managed correctly, efficiently, and with due care.

It appeared that the appointments of Bernstein, King, Little, and Bevington was an amazing coup for the club and saw us finally grasping what was needed. These people are leaders in their own areas of expertise and have more business acumen dripping from them in terms of how to either build the foundations of a football club, how to make it successful, how to broadly move it to a level where it is flourishing and producing on relative terms, and how to link the club with different areas of the finance or business sector to encourage more partnerships for the club's benefit.

And Pelty seems fit to denigrate their stature as "These two men" without seemingly realising that "these two men" were doing one thing and one thing alone. The very best for Aston Villa. Is Lerner doing that? No, he is protecting his wealth (and you could argue rightly so). Is Krulak doing that? No, he is protecting Lerner and doing his bidding.

No, we don't know what has gone on and how Bernstein & King have behaved. But considering what Lerner has done to us short of grabbing Lerner by the throat whilst pulling a knife on him whilst the other beats up his wife and kids, there is going to be very very little support here for Lerner if two beastly men have identified him as being the problem.

Pelty, your argument is like the owner of the Big Top being annoyed at the acrobat who is complaining that he won't supply a net to stop him falling to his death . The cancer here is not Bernstein & King. It's Lerner. if anyone is behaving in a disgraceful manner it's not the people who genuinely care for Aston villa, it's those that don't. Neither you, Krulak, nor Lerner do. We were tricked when you rode into town hooting and a-hollering shooting from the hip with your yee-ha's but it turned out to be smoke and mirrors.

It’s not us who is failing to see clearly. It's not Randy who is showing a great deal of restraint. It's not Randy who is showing any signs of "class". It's not Randy who is humiliated, embarrassed, outraged, hurt, despondent, and has the emotional torment of seeing us turned into a laughing stock. That's us. The fans. The real fans. The fans who care about this club. The fans that will be here long after Lerner, and you, have gone. The fans, like King, who actually care about this club and restoring it to its rightful place. The fans who have been held in such contempt for years now. The fans who have little truck with nonsensical responses that are designed for us to side with the person who is killing our club against the 2 are trying to save it. The fans who want Lerner out. You may say that we don't know how or what Lerner and his associates really feel, well we watch every Saturday and that's enough. Go now. The lot of you.

Churchillian, bravo mate.

[Percy McCarthy]

Pelty - excuse me if I say I don't give two shits about how your dad saved an ailing college, 1000's of miles away.
It was obvioulsy given bigger priority over saving our ailing football club.

Exactly.

[chrisf]

X2.

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Another -1.

What's that in Lerner maths?

£250m, no wait £100m..

-1

... better sell sooner rather than later Randy. This is only going one way.

[Percy McCarthy]

 the reality is that he became the president of a college that was about to be shuttered and was close to $100 million in the hole. His remit was to stop the dam from bursting in a year and then get the college on firmer footing over the next two all while an accreditation group was standing at the executioner's block. He tirelessly traveled and spoke to all who would listen so as to raise money and get the college solvent.

If Randy Lerner did college ownership...

Lol.

So, the General rushed off to help an ailing college that was $100m in the hole, leaving his best mate to flounder on alone in his pathetic attempts to help an ailing football club that was $300m in the hole.

With friends like him...